Bit of a rant

[Alastair70]

That's only 1 cow on the bbq for you this year young man!

Charcoal is a carbon neutral fuel!

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I am not a denier i just can't see how will change

You are not alone.
As i said in my earlier post 49 G7 summits and what has changed?

 

[dad_of_jon]

The planet has been heating and cooling for billions of years. It’s a normal cycle. No need to ban cows and turf.

Agreed! the problem is we are around for this heating cycle and a) we're annoyed b) we think we are able to make a serious difference to rising temps.

Even an idea floated to put a large sunshade in orbit - seriously cool but then no-one wants its blocking out thier sun so a large part of the ocean is shaded to reduce the energy going into the system and before you know it the lack of heating of that part of the ocean will screw up the climate in ways not yet considered.

 

[Rodcx500z]

Charcoal is a carbon neutral fuel!

Yeah but only after it's killed everybody making it

 

[Alastair70]

I am not a denier i just can't see how will change

I needs proper political support to change, and that starts from the ground up. If the Tories thought a major eco policy would get them another term they’d be on it like Oprah on a ham.

 

[dad_of_jon]

To be fair JB the other poster mentioned the cycle in billions of years and this is just the last 10K - 10k!! that's not even a marathon

 

[Donegal john]

Charcoal is a carbon neutral fuel!

But how did it get to become charcoal ?
It’s like electric cars that are sold as good to the environment. Crap.
Like not being allowed to install any sort of heating system in new build houses that involves burning be it oil gas or coal but having to install a heat pump that runs on electricity We are not the problem. Big industry is. The oil companies etc will keep themselves in profit while feeding the stupid all this bull about their actions are causing the harm.
I don’t deny climate change. It’s changing that’s obvious but the lies that come with it is the hard stuff to swallow.

 

[dad_of_jon]

You are not alone.
As i said in my earlier post 49 G7 summits and what has changed?

They should have a GU10 summit instead after all low energy lightbulbs may help.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

They should have a GU10 summit instead after all low energy lightbulbs may help.

or a G9

 

[Alastair70]

Yeah but only after it's killed everybody making it

Should have said, the sort of charcoal I like to burn. Stay away from the briquettes!

 

[Donegal john]

They should have a GU10 summit instead after all low energy lightbulbs may help.

Oh an electrical joke. Love it. Bring back the gu50 bulbs I say. Heat and light at the same time.

 

[Alastair70]

But how did it get to become charcoal ?
It’s like electric cars that are sold as good to the environment. ****.
Like not being allowed to install any sort of heating system in new build houses that involves burning be it oil gas or coal but having to install a heat pump that runs on electricity We are not the problem. Big industry is. The oil companies etc will keep themselves in profit while feeding the stupid all this bull about their actions are causing the harm.
I don’t deny climate change. It’s changing that’s obvious but the lies that come with it is the hard stuff to swallow.

It became charcoal by taking a load of carbon out of the atmosphere. When it gets burnt, almost all of that carbon ends up back in the atmosphere. That's carbon neutrailty.
Cars aren't good for the environment full stop. But EV's cause significantly less harm than fossil fueled. When people say they're good for the environment it's purely a relative thing.

 

[Donegal john]

It became charcoal by taking a load of carbon out of the atmosphere. When it gets burnt, almost all of that carbon ends up back in the atmosphere. That's carbon neutrailty.
Cars aren't good for the environment full stop. But EV's cause significantly less harm than fossil fueled. When people say they're good for the environment it's purely a relative thing.

Charcoal production and use accounts for approximately 2-7% of global, human-generated greenhouse gas emissions. These emissions are mostly caused by unsustainable forest management and inefficient charcoal manufacture.

What makes the majority of the electric needed to charge the EV’S ?

 

[dad_of_jon]

Science is theoretical in that you start with a theory and then test it, and based on your findings modify the theory to accept the knowledge that comes with the new data. As a result the theory should slowly move closer to the actual reality as the amount of knowledge and understanding increases. In the case of climate change the amount of knowledge and understanding is now considerable and so while the current theory is unlikely to be 100% correct it is probably a pretty good approximation. Under those circumstances I think it a good idea to listen to what the scientists are saying and act accordingly.

There's a big danger here... there's a lot of modeling which is not fit for purpose. BSE deaths amongst humans, covid deaths , ol neil ferguson hasn't done his reputation and good. The problem is putting a few variables into an excel spreadsheet does not make good science. Until a very good approximation of reality is evident is should not be used. There are 'career scientists that often do not speak out re: bad science for fear of their livelyhood.

Vaccination likley stops transmission of COVID? - When this was being said there was NO evidence to prove this yet it was passed as scientific fact.

5 a day fruit and veg??? - Actually it was pointed out it should be nearer 10 yet was decided it would put people off from even bothering so 5 was chosen.

Units of alcohol a week? - We don't know we haven't any evidence. - You can't say that! we don't want the risk of 100,000s dying of liver failure a year, OK - lets pick a number based on no evidence.

The problem we have here is until scientific advisory committees have actual evidence they feel compelled or coerced into making up numbers. Possibly in the hope that by the time the numbers have found to not be as expected they've long since got off the gravy train.

Maybe as a population we get the science we deserve?

 

[dad_of_jon]

That's only 1 cow on the bbq for you this year young man!

speaking of cows and trying to cut down on emissions, one approach is to vaccinate the cows to fart less. yet another approach is to capture cow farts. these are at odds with each other. farmer A who recycles cow farts in a barn can't buy farmer B's cows because he's vaccinated his not to.

 

[Brewshed]

There's a big danger here... there's a lot of modeling which is not fit for purpose. BSE deaths amongst humans, covid deaths , ol neil ferguson hasn't done his reputation and good. The problem is putting a few variables into an excel spreadsheet does not make good science. Until a very good approximation of reality is evident is should not be used. There are 'career scientists that often do not speak out re: bad science for fear of their livelyhood.

Vaccination likley stops transmission of COVID? - When this was being said there was NO evidence to prove this yet it was passed as scientific fact.

5 a day fruit and veg??? - Actually it was pointed out it should be nearer 10 yet was decided it would put people off from even bothering so 5 was chosen.

Units of alcohol a week? - We don't know we haven't any evidence. - You can't say that! we don't want the risk of 100,000s dying of liver failure a year, OK - lets pick a number based on no evidence.

The problem we have here is until scientific advisory committees have actual evidence they feel compelled or coerced into making up numbers. Possibly in the hope that by the time the numbers have found to not be as expected they've long since got off the gravy train.

Maybe as a population we get the science we deserve?

I agree with much of what you say about science in the public domain. However, in most of your examples it is not the science that is at fault but how governments etc interpret and use that science. I also agree that there is much more bad (weak?) science around than people realise. You are also correct that the best models etc have the best supporting data. My point would be that in the case of climate change there is an awful lot of good data and so the model is probably quite robust. If anything the climate data coming out now suggest that the models being used up till now are slightly under estimating the changes.

 

[Alastair70]

Charcoal production and use accounts for approximately 2-7% of global, human-generated greenhouse gas emissions. These emissions are mostly caused by unsustainable forest management and inefficient charcoal manufacture.

What makes the majority of the electric needed to charge the EV’S ?

That's charcoal and wood for fuel, a very small proportion of which is home BBQ enthuasists.

Currently 40% renewable when it comes from the grid, and that percentage is rising faster than average global temperatures.

 

[Donegal john]

That's charcoal and wood for fuel, a very small proportion of which is home BBQ enthuasists.

Currently 40% renewable when it comes from the grid, and that percentage is rising faster than average global temperatures.

We need it to rise Ireland is freezing man. We need about 5degrees more. At least.

 

[Alastair70]

We need it to rise Ireland is freezing man. We need about 5degrees more. At least.

True, but we’ll just get more rain too. You need to take up sea swimming and get cold adapted.

 

[Donegal john]

True, but we’ll just get more rain too. You need to take up sea swimming and get cold adapted.

I live near malin head. I know cold. It’s all we have. Cold. And wind. And more cold.