Beer and global warming.

[Gunge]

then for goodness sake please don't have any offspring as it's your children and grand children that will suffer.

They might even benefit, assuming of course that global warming via our actions is real and pigs might fly. This is one of the clues that it is all a sham - there are never any positives, all negatives. We're to blame and 'we' are gonna pay for it. For example... imagine for a minute if you will that the recent run of mild winters (excepting 2010) is the result of global warming. Is that not preferable to successions of shockers like we used to get as recently as the 70s and early 80s? Some folk hold those up as evidence that we're warming lol. They are notable because they were deviations from what went before. But they'll be back, of that I have no doubt whatsoever, and there'll be coming out of the woodwork to say that extreme cold is actually a symptom of warming and is entirely consistent with their model predictions etc etc.

Chippy - no, I didn't read the article, sorry. I've found that anything which promotes or defends this cack is a waste of time. That's what I was expecting so gave it a miss, sorry.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I don't see them trying to promote or defend anything they are stating facts as they see them and a lot of them are Professors and Doctors (see in the list below) why would they risk their reputation if this was rubbish?

If anyone wants to read the full PDF the link is here - http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/POST-PB-0025/POST-PB-0025.pdf

POST - Parliamentary Office of Science and Technology

Projecting Future Sea Level Rise

Published Thursday, June 15, 2017

This POSTbrief sets out the causes, likely future levels and implications of sea level rise.


This POSTbrief provides further information on current projections of future sea level rise. It introduces sea level rise projections and discusses the various future emissions scenarios used in the projections, the different modelling methods employed, as well as the likelihood ranges and uncertainties associated with them. It also provides an overview of the current sea level rise projections arising from different modelling techniques and emission scenarios and discusses high-end sea level rise scenarios.

This POSTbrief accompanies POSTnote 555 Rising Sea Levels.

Acknowledgements

POSTbriefs are based on mini literature reviews and interviews with stakeholders and are externally peer reviewed. POST would like to thank peer reviewers for kindly giving up their time during the preparation of this briefing, including:

Prof David Vaughan, British Antarctic Survey
Prof Tony Payne, University of Bristol
Dr Rory Bingham, University of Bristol
Dr Tamsin Edwards, Open University
Dr Jeremy Hoffman, Science Museum of Virginia (USA)
Prof Robert Nicholls, University of Southampton
Prof Ian Townend, University of Southampton
Dr Sally Brown, University of Southampton
Dr Phil Woodworth, National Oceanography Centre
Prof Jonathan Gregory, University of Reading
Prof Chris Rapley, UCL & London Climate Change Partnership
Dr Matt Palmer, Met Office
Dr Richard Wood, Met Office
Dr Tom Howard, Met Office
POSTbriefs POST-PB-0025

 

[GlentoranMark]

You're getting local weather patterns mixed up with Global Warming.

I've said (I think about 10 years ago but it's on the net somewhere) that burning fossil fuels isn't the problem, populating the planet is.

By all means turn your heating up to full blast in this warm weather but stop having kids. I'm guilty by having 2 of my own (break even) but having more people that can leave a carbon footprint is just a recipe for disaster.

I do my fair share, I recycle to extremes and I do look at ways of not only reducing my carbon footprint but getting off the grid altogether. I've started a local community garden, not much in the big scheme of things but I'd like to resemble "The Good Life" if I could. That's not to say I don't drive a diesel car, turn my heating on when I'm cold and chuck a load of food waste away but I try. Guess that's one reason why I love brewing from scratch.

Burying your head in the sand isn't an answer. Global warming is a fact just like evolution even if both are just theories. There is so much circumstantial evidence in favour, courts would have this case convicted long ago.

They might even benefit, assuming of course that global warming via our actions is real and pigs might fly. This is one of the clues that it is all a sham - there are never any positives, all negatives. We're to blame and 'we' are gonna pay for it. For example... imagine for a minute if you will that the recent run of mild winters (excepting 2010) is the result of global warming. Is that not preferable to successions of shockers like we used to get as recently as the 70s and early 80s? Some folk hold those up as evidence that we're warming lol. They are notable because they were deviations from what went before. But they'll be back, of that I have no doubt whatsoever, and there'll be coming out of the woodwork to say that extreme cold is actually a symptom of warming and is entirely consistent with their model predictions etc etc.

Chippy - no, I didn't read the article, sorry. I've found that anything which promotes or defends this cack is a waste of time. That's what I was expecting so gave it a miss, sorry.

 

[Linalmeemow]

Chippy - no, I didn't read the article, sorry. I've found that anything which promotes or defends this cack is a waste of time. That's what I was expecting so gave it a miss, sorry.

And this is why it's pointless even trying to debate with you and the rest of the Flat Earth Society. You're presented with science and you run away with your hands over your ears.

 

[Covrich]

We haven't had a graph for a few pages so here is one

Don't think it helps the GW question.. I think its the process my wife uses when deciding what to wear on a night out

 

[Tau]

Water vapour is still thousands of times better at insulating our biosphere than any or indeed all of the so called greenhouse gases. That's why we don't need to worry. If, for example, CO2 captures heat radiating from the Earth then it captures far more radiating from the sun. Much of which will emit back into space. So the more CO2 the less heat will reach the surface.
Once more, this is insignificant compared to the effect of water vapour.
Too much money has been invested in so called global warming and too many fortunes have been fraudulently made (especially by politicians!). I don't expect the lies to stop any time soon.
The hottest June since 1976 is, of course, proof positive of global warming. Whilst the 10 cold summers in the north of England are an expected anomaly. According to many an expert with a degree in geography.

Remember the data from the vapour trails from aircraft that didn't fly after the twin towers global temp's went dramatically up for the period of no flight. The temp's dropped back as soon as the no flight was lifted. Water vapour might help keep temp's down.

A lot of the carbon capture is just a money making excercise, the main problem is deforestation. Removing the carbon capture sink of forest is just a bad idea. Although forest fires in the states/canada etc have had a massive impact too recently.

Atmospheric dust is another issue not helped by wars in desert areas were arable land has now become desert. This influences climate change.

There are other gases that have big effects of temperature, e.g methane - all those sheep and cows farting, on land that should be forest to boot.

Volcanoes tend to reduce global temp's, the 1815 eruption of Mount Tambora drove temp's right down, the Thames froze in winter for a few years after this.

The ice is melting, sea levels are rising! A lot of river and coastal cities will not be here by the end of the centuary I have no doubt. Whether this is due to other issues rather than just co2 I don't know but it is melting fast. Another big volcanic eruption may well put the brakes on the melt though.

 

[Gunge]

And this is why it's pointless even trying to debate with you and the rest of the Flat Earth Society. You're presented with science and you run away with your hands over your ears.

I agree, so won't bother wasting any more time arguing with you. 97% consensus of 'scientists' who back the AGW theory? Funny!

 

[Gunge]

You're getting local weather patterns mixed up with Global Warming.

I saw that coming a mile away - a tried and tested warmist tactic. Can't believe anyone still falls for it. CO2 molecules must gather in gangs and take their warming to select locations.

 

[HebridesRob]

I gave up on convincing people about climate change a long time ago. Now I just don't care. I'm 57, no children. Not my problem any more.
For what it's worth, my own perception is that we have about ten years before **** hits the fan, we're on the way to six degrees of global warming, runaway climate change and breakdown of civilisation.
Climate change models too conservative, earth heating up faster than predicted.
https://www.voanews.com/a/who-global-warming-happening-faster-than-predicted/3429127.html
North pole ice is going to be gone in summer in 1-2 years.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/21/arctic-will-be-ice-free-in-summer-next-year
The loss of that ice means serious changes to weather patterns.
https://www.pmel.noaa.gov/arctic-zone/future/bib/Vihma_accepted_in_Surv_Geophys.pdf
The Greenland ice sheet is melting faster than expected.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/02/great-greenland-meltdown
Ocean acidification and warming is going to cause dead spots
https://coastalscience.noaa.gov/news/climate/hypoxia-acidification-mean-double-whammy-marine-life/
In a worse case scenario anoxic oceans might release Hydrogen Sulphide and poison us all
https://robertscribbler.com/2014/01...ydrogen-sulfide-in-the-worlds-warming-oceans/
And then there's the possibility of the Clathrate Gun firing and causing runaway climate change really fast.
https://phys.org/news/2017-04-early-out-of-control-climate.html
Societal breakdown, fast rising oceans and coastal nuclear power plants. Whoopee.
http://climatenewsnetwork.net/flood-risk-to-nuclear-sites-raises-meltdown-fears/

 

[Tau]

I gave up on convincing people about climate change a long time ago. Now I just don't care. I'm 57, no children. Not my problem any more.
For what it's worth, my own perception is that we have about ten years before **** hits the fan, we're on the way to six degrees of global warming, runaway climate change and breakdown of civilisation.
Climate change models too conservative, earth heating up faster than predicted.
https://www.voanews.com/a/who-global-warming-happening-faster-than-predicted/3429127.html
North pole ice is going to be gone in summer in 1-2 years.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/21/arctic-will-be-ice-free-in-summer-next-year
The loss of that ice means serious changes to weather patterns.
https://www.pmel.noaa.gov/arctic-zone/future/bib/Vihma_accepted_in_Surv_Geophys.pdf
The Greenland ice sheet is melting faster than expected.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/02/great-greenland-meltdown
Ocean acidification and warming is going to cause dead spots
https://coastalscience.noaa.gov/news/climate/hypoxia-acidification-mean-double-whammy-marine-life/
In a worse case scenario anoxic oceans might release Hydrogen Sulphide and poison us all
https://robertscribbler.com/2014/01...ydrogen-sulfide-in-the-worlds-warming-oceans/
And then there's the possibility of the Clathrate Gun firing and causing runaway climate change really fast.
https://phys.org/news/2017-04-early-out-of-control-climate.html
Societal breakdown, fast rising oceans and coastal nuclear power plants. Whoopee.
http://climatenewsnetwork.net/flood-risk-to-nuclear-sites-raises-meltdown-fears/

The methane is the big question, think we should just round up the worlds cattle have one last gaint bbq and done with them. If the ice melts and releases all the methane were done for.

 

[Gunge]

that we have about ten years before **** hits the fan,

Ignoring Tyndall, the great high priest of global warming, Hansen himself said exactly that in 1995. We're still waiting.

 

[Duxuk]

Bull**** with regards to "shrinking ice sheets". The Antarctic ice sheet is massively bigger than the arctic and is reaching the highest level recorded. https://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2...t-record-high-growth-Arctic-continues-to-lose
This article is from the Christian Science Monitor so even God is behind this. And I'm posting this on a Sunday. Must be something in that.:whistle:

 

[thewelshwizard1]

Well said 😉

 

[Gunge]

Bull**** with regards to "shrinking ice sheets". The Antarctic ice sheet is massively bigger than the arctic and is reaching the highest level recorded. https://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2...t-record-high-growth-Arctic-continues-to-lose
This article is from the Christian Science Monitor so even God is behind this. And I'm posting this on a Sunday. Must be something in that.:whistle:

The Arctic! The Arctic! That's all they bang on about. I think proper observations of ice mass / extent began in 1979 so their observations are over a miniscule period. Meanwhile the burgeoning Antarctic never gets a mention unless part of it is breaking off due to the sheer weight of ice! But it's held up as evidence of global warming! A clue... ice melts when warm enough, not fracture. There's no hope for these people.

Ps. How are those poor polar bears doing these days?

 

[HebridesRob]

Kaleschke said he doesn't doubt that the factors Nghiem's team pinpointed are key to the dynamics in the Antarctic, but he thinks other forces are in play.
"One of the most convincing things I see is the freshening of the ocean from precipitation," he said. Increased snowfall over the region is consistent with global climate models because a warmer atmosphere holds more moisture.
"It comes down over the Antarctic Ocean over the sea ice zone. There, this leads to freshening of the surface layer. That leads to stratification, which leads to an increased formation of sea ice, because it's effectively shielded [by snow]," he said.
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/...-glaciers-melts-climate-change-global-warming

 

[HebridesRob]

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/05/170505103649.htm
The researchers concluded that over the study period, 2003-2013, Antarctica, as a whole, has been contributing to sea level rise and that the gains in East Antarctica were around three times smaller than suggested in the 2015 study.

 

[HebridesRob]

Estimates of recent changes in Antarctic land ice (see above) range from losing 100 gigatons/year to over 300 gigatons/year. Because 360 gigatons/year represents an annual sea level rise of 1 mm/year, recent estimates indicate a contribution of between 0.27 mm/year and 0.83 mm/year coming from Antarctica. There is of course uncertainty in the estimations methods but multiple different types of measurement techniques (explained here) all show the same thing, Antarctica is losing land ice as a whole, and these losses are accelerating quickly.
https://www.wunderground.com/climate/facts/antarctica_is_losing_ice_sheet.asp

 

[Gunge]

I've got a huge pile of tyres to burn. Nobody can accuse me of not doing my bit for global warming aka climate change. No seriously - the huge soot cloud will block the sun and induce Ice Age II.

 

[Dutto]

In the UK everyone better hope that "Global Warming" is a myth and that the predictions are wrong!

I was brought up on the information that, although parts of the UK are further north than Moscow, the Gulf Stream was why the UK is kept warm in winter.

For example, Moscow with an average winter temperature of -20 degrees is on Latitude 56.8 degrees whereas Aberdeen with an average winter temperature of +2 degrees is further north on Latitude 57.1 degrees.

The prediction is that the Gulf Stream will slow down or even stop if the ice from the Arctic melts completely; and if that happens then the UK will become just like central Europe.

The good news is that we will be able to walk over to France, Belgium, Holland, Germany and Denmark for about three months of the year so it's not all Bad News! :whistle: :whistle:

PS

Just had a vision of the kind of Border Controls that the Brexiteers would have to put in place if the UK was joined to Europe from say Berwick-on-Tweed round to Lands End and anyone could just walk across! :lol: :lol:

But then reality kicked in and I thought "By then, why would anyone want to come here anyway?" :whistle: :whistle:

 

[dad_of_jon]

Climate change is real - Al Gore's theories are BS. If you say you care about the environment and drive an diesel SUV for example - you are full of ****e. Cutting down trees to build McMansions and destroying arable lands with metallic pollution in the name of Al Gore's BS are causing far more problems.

Get a worm farm and compost bin to use the spent grains and other organic waste, then use it to grow hops and you will have a more positive effect than most politicians and businessmen around the globe!

(collectively.)

ahem, I do drive a diesel suv and I do care about the environment. Prior to my diesel SUV I had a people carrier. so my PC gave out 157gm/km co2 and was euro 5, my SUV is euro 6 and gives out 119gm/km. I specifically bought a PC with a DPF. at the time VW weren't fitting them as standard so I went elsewhere. Everytime I can make a lower impact I do. Fairtrade, free range eggs and that extends to cars etc. I have given up on my favorite greek yoghurt purely because it is imported from greece. Tomatoes, well I don't eat them but when I buy for mrs DOJ I get ones from the Netherlands rather than further afield.

If we can all make little, better choices perhaps our planet will last us a little bit longer.

But these choices usually have to be made from what's put in front of us.