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Elshin

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Hi all.

Great forum, been reading for a couple of weeks and some great information.

So, right now i dont even have equipment and still deciding where to start, i think i want to save for an all grain starter kit as boiling/brewing appeals to me more than with a more basic starter kit (although first brew i may do the starter kit to get a feel for things).

I mainly drink lagers but around 12 months ago started drinking some IPA's and really enjoying having 1 or 2 IPAs instead of drinking bucket loads of lager on a night out. Also had an american red ale recently and it was delish.

I will probably start on attempting to brew an ipa and take it from there.

I am looking for any tips for the best kit at value to start with (11 day old baby taking most funds just now).

Cheers and looking forward to being part of the community
 
Welcome to the forum.

Personally I'd advise brewing a few kits first to get a handle on the basics and everything you need to buy for this will be of use when you move to all grain. I never managed to move to the dark side so far as my two kids take up most of my time but one day...

For brewing a kit something like this will give you all you need: http://www.home-brew-online.com/sta...ter-equipment-pack-co2-injection-barrel-p1312

If you like American style beers then I'd highly recommend the Young's range, the IPA is highly regarded: http://www.home-brew-online.com/beer-kits-c1/american-craft-brewing-ipa-american-beer-kit-p1487
 
Advice I'd give is whatever equipment you get now (pots etc.) try to think about the future as well as you'll end up having to buy again to upscale. Never done kits, straight into BIAB AG using Malt Miller recipe packs. Never looked back.

I started on AG using just 1 gallon starter kit bought as a pressie from on line, and picking up a few bits and pieces from Wilkos. Bought a SS pan off ebay (14litre) but should have gone bigger but this still allowed me to do 3 gallon batches which I split into three 1 gallon FVs (5 litre water bottles from tesco act as really good DJ's when you start out).
 
Welcome and congratulation on the baby and, more importantly, starting homebrewing. I'd also recommend getting a couple of kits under your belt before moving up to all grain. At least with kits you'll get to iron out your process in terms of sanitation, fermentation control, bottling/kegging, and so on, and if something goes wrong at least you won't have wasted hours doing an AG. The starter kit above looks good. I'd check out the main homebrew shops (home brew online, the homebrew shop, geterbrewed, the malt miller, brew uk) and find the cheapest starter kit that contains all the basics: a 30-35L bucket, syphon with sediment trap, hydrometer and trial jar, thermometer (stick-on is ok, a proper thermometer is much better), spoon/paddle, some sanitiser, and some container(s) for your first batch (I prefer bottles as pressure barrels are a pain in the ass, but others have different opinions). All this stuff will still be used if/when you jump to all-grain, and there are some good-value "upgrade" bundles with available which will give you everything else you need to do full-length all grain brews.
 
Advice I'd give is whatever equipment you get now (pots etc.) try to think about the future as well as you'll end up having to buy again to upscale. Never done kits, straight into BIAB AG using Malt Miller recipe packs. Never looked back.

I started on AG using just 1 gallon starter kit bought as a pressie from on line, and picking up a few bits and pieces from Wilkos. Bought a SS pan off ebay (14litre) but should have gone bigger but this still allowed me to do 3 gallon batches which I split into three 1 gallon FVs (5 litre water bottles from tesco act as really good DJ's when you start out).

The best way to do it I reckon. If you want to brew all grain, go straight for it. Kit brewing, about all you learn how to do is sanitise your equipment, test specific gravity and be patient whilst it ferments etc. Personally, I hated all of the faffing with sticky goop, only to end up with 1 beer out of rather a lot of kits that I actually enjoyed the taste of...

Your biggest headache starting out is going to be getting a good rolling boil brewing a decent volume. I started out with a 33 litre SS pan, and just couldn't get a proper rolling boil on the stove. So I switched over to an electric boiler. Or, if you can get gas bottles easily enough, and brew outside, then you could use a big SS pan and a gas burner. Go BIAB (brew in a bag) and you don't need a mash tun etc, just the boiler, a bag, syphon, fermenters etc.

You may consider brewing smaller batches, which is more than doable stove top. However keep in mind how you will feel when you brew a 1 gallon batch of the best beer you have ever tasted in your life... That happened to me once, and I still haven't gotten around to re-brewing it in a larger quantity. lol

One more consideration, your budget. You say you have a baby taking up funds, and I know that one too well (I have 4 daughters, one of whom just gave us a grandson... lol). But be cautious, a penny saved now can sometimes down the line cost more. Heck, lots of people BIAB in 30 litre plastic PECO boilers, and luck out and get one that lasts for years. Others get one, and find the element breaks etc etc. So weight up one off cost vs long term costs.

A final warning, this hobby is as addictive as all heck! Especially once you get the bug for modifying your equipment, getting that bit more out of it, whilst making your brew day that bit easier. DIY makes things cheaper short term, but dearer long term, spreading out the costs as you add a bit here, a bit there. That stainless steel pot you may start with? One day you may decide to cut a hole and fit an element... Then you decide to cut another hole and fit a tap, suddenly you can transfer your wort to the fermenter really easily... Oooh, I know, I'll fit a recirculation pump, suddenly I don't have to stir the mash so much when doing a BIAB, and don't need to vorlauf... Ooh and sparging just got easier too.... On and on it goes... If that's not something you want to do, then consider either jumping in (financially) and getting an all in one system (Bulldog, Grainfather, Brew Devil or the like) giving you all of that from the off, or going for extract brewing instead (better than kit brewing, as you are still building recipes, choosing your own hops etc).

Regarding that starter kit linked to, skip the pressure barrel and go bottles. I had one like that, with the pressure barrel, it just went into the bin after yet another seam burst on me... They're not worth the agro. Oh and the bucket, 2 uses and the lid started letting air in, I use it to weigh my grain into now... lol
 
Thanks for the responces and the information. Il take time later to read the above and see what route to take. Birthday next month so may speak to the good lady and see if that helps getting some better kit.

I think i will go down the extract route or all grain route, il attempt to learn while i fail sure that's part of the fun. Since the above links and knowing a bit more what to look for i have seen a 'brewery in a box' essential starter kit for £100 which also comes with:
Kit Includes:

• Block Party Amber Ale recipe kit
• 6.5 gallon fermenter w/ lid & bubbler airlock
• Bottling bucket w/spigot assembly
• Bottle filler
• 5 gallon (18.93 litre) stainless brew kettle
• 21” stainless spoon
• Siphon, 5 ft. (1.52m) siphon tubing & siphon tube holder
• Cleaner/sanitizer - Oxygen Wash
• Bottle brush
• Royal crown bottle capper & 60 caps



Re the wee one, thanks :) i now stay in a village with no pub so money saved on drinking out will help going towarss the homebrew costs. Really looking forward to getting started and having a house bases hobby/addiction
 
I am restarting restarting after 35+ break . Living in a different house with no constant warm temp place any suggestion on keeping the FV at a correct temp . First brew has stopped at 5 days with sg at 1020 will it be ok to keg ?
 
During the night-time feeding sessions, you might find it useful to read a few sections of this: http://www.howtobrew.com/

How To Brew is a very comprehensive (sometimes too comprehensive) book on home brewing, but one that is highly regarded. The first edition is available for free on the website but you have to pay for version 4. If you can get through the "Brewing with Malt Extract" section, you'll be in good stead for a first brew. Put the latest edition on your birthday list along with Greg Hughes Home Brew Beer.

You'll note that Palmer doesn't recommend using extract kits but the book is pretty old and some of the more recent kits, e.g. the Young's ones mentioned above, are a lot better than I expect they were in the 70s. For ease of getting some beer in the fermenter, extract kits are really easy and take so little time (<1 hour if you're going quickly), so it might be worth giving that a go whilst things are hectic at home.
 
During the night-time feeding sessions, you might find it useful to read a few sections of this: http://www.howtobrew.com/

How To Brew is a very comprehensive (sometimes too comprehensive) book on home brewing, but one that is highly regarded. The first edition is available for free on the website but you have to pay for version 4. If you can get through the "Brewing with Malt Extract" section, you'll be in good stead for a first brew. Put the latest edition on your birthday list along with Greg Hughes Home Brew Beer.

You'll note that Palmer doesn't recommend using extract kits but the book is pretty old and some of the more recent kits, e.g. the Young's ones mentioned above, are a lot better than I expect they were in the 70s. For ease of getting some beer in the fermenter, extract kits are really easy and take so little time (<1 hour if you're going quickly), so it might be worth giving that a go whilst things are hectic at home.

I remember when my kids were born just as England had a test series in New Zealand thought I'd get to watch loads of cricket because I was up anyway. Ha ha. I was so tired that I could function during the day let alone night time. Read a book? Nee chance.
 
I am restarting restarting after 35+ break . Living in a different house with no constant warm temp place any suggestion on keeping the FV at a correct temp . First brew has stopped at 5 days with sg at 1020 will it be ok to keg ?

What are you brewing? Some kits are notorious for sticking at 1020 because the yeast supplied leaves a lot to be desired. Don't bottle or keg it at 1020, I'd suggest something under 1010 that's stayed the same for 2 days on the trot. For the moment give it another 2 or 3 days and if the reading is the same then look to deal with it. In the future I'd recommend either swapping out the kit yeast for one you buy separately or doubling up on them if you must use them. Have a look at this thread for your current ferment which if it doesn't change gravity in the next couple of days does sound like it could be stuck.

https://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/...s-for-dealing-with-stuck-fermentations.74910/
 
Thanks for the responces and the information. Il take time later to read the above and see what route to take. Birthday next month so may speak to the good lady and see if that helps getting some better kit.

I think i will go down the extract route or all grain route, il attempt to learn while i fail sure that's part of the fun. <>
• Bottle brush
• Royal crown bottle capper & 60 caps



Re the wee one, thanks :) i now stay in a village with no pub so money saved on drinking out will help going towarss the homebrew costs. Really looking forward to getting started and having a house bases hobby/addiction

So all you need now is bottles and patience :) Do you heat with gas or electra?
 
So all you need now is bottles and patience :) Do you heat with gas or electra?

Only electricity here so will be that to start with.

For the bottles i have started going through a number of 500ml ales and cleaning the bottles to build up a small collection. Ive not even started brewing yet and i love this hobby
 

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