Oneflewover
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But as an ex H&S specialist you will understand the difference between frequency and severity of risk of harm? Not aware that a jack Russell has ever killed or maimed anyone
Another teenager dead.
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Alex.mc
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All very sad.
I have no wish to reduce, or soften the impact of what is happening, especially to the families of those killed and affected, but historically knife crime and violence is not new in London or the UK.
I was in Scotland over the weekend and somehow ended up reading a news article from 1960 reporting the knife violence on one weekend. It was something like 4 people dead, and another 8 injured... on one weekend! Glasgow had a serious problem with gangs and killings and was Euro murder capital at one point. But they turned it around, and did so by education and putting money into projects to combat it.
I may be getting old and grumpy(er!), but I find myself with little other opinion-option regarding Knife and youth violence in London than it being inevitable. London is a rich city, and those in authority (the government) do NOT give a sh*t for the people at the bottom of the pile. They literally don't care if some kid off an estate gets knifed to death. It's not affecting them. If however a promising young person from a decent family who might well have gone to Oxbridge, and had a glittering career ahead of them gets murdered... they're all over it! promising this and that and no stone unturned etc...
Our so-called leaders (laughs out loud!) need to wake up and stop looking at their status and fat paychecks and massive pensions, and pay attention to what is going on.
I have no wish to reduce, or soften the impact of what is happening, especially to the families of those killed and affected, but historically knife crime and violence is not new in London or the UK.
I was in Scotland over the weekend and somehow ended up reading a news article from 1960 reporting the knife violence on one weekend. It was something like 4 people dead, and another 8 injured... on one weekend! Glasgow had a serious problem with gangs and killings and was Euro murder capital at one point. But they turned it around, and did so by education and putting money into projects to combat it.
I may be getting old and grumpy(er!), but I find myself with little other opinion-option regarding Knife and youth violence in London than it being inevitable. London is a rich city, and those in authority (the government) do NOT give a sh*t for the people at the bottom of the pile. They literally don't care if some kid off an estate gets knifed to death. It's not affecting them. If however a promising young person from a decent family who might well have gone to Oxbridge, and had a glittering career ahead of them gets murdered... they're all over it! promising this and that and no stone unturned etc...
Our so-called leaders (laughs out loud!) need to wake up and stop looking at their status and fat paychecks and massive pensions, and pay attention to what is going on.
Dutto
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True and I agree, but with animals one never knows what will happen. For instance:
- Back in 1965 when I was a policeman, a neighbour's ferret got out and ate the face off a grandchild that was asleep in its pram outside his backdoor! The mother and the neighbour wondered why the child started crying and screaming but it was a good 15 minutes before they went out and discovered what was happening; by which time the child was minus most of its lips and eyelids!
- After I had left the police, an old lady who lived in a caravan at the side of the road died of natural causes, but by the time her body was discovered the Alsatian dog that she had kept for protection has eaten quite a bit of her.
Cynical me? Probably!
A 16 year old dead this time
Small Heath murder probe after boy, 16, stabbed to death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-47316371
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Small Heath murder probe after boy, 16, stabbed to death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-47316371
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Dutto
Landlord.
I was a Policeman when the Death Penalty was abolished and I cheered its abolition!
Why? It was obvious that some of the convicted murderers had been "fitted up".
Since the Death Penalty was abolished and DNA evidence has been introduced, many dozens of "murderers" have been proved innocent of the crime for which they were convicted.
I deliberately highlighted the last bit because many of these people were probably guilty of some other crime that the police couldn't nail them for. Had they been hanged, they would have only received a posthumous apology; which by any standards is a poor substitute for living!
Knife crime up 93% in six years and the home Secretary is calling a meeting of police chiefs but what can they do the girl killed at the weekend was stabbed in the back by an unknown man while she was with five friends in a park, how do they stop that?
The home secretary is to chair a meeting of police chiefs to combat the "senseless violence" that has seen a rise in the number of teenagers being stabbed to death across the UK.
Sajid Javid said: "Young people are being murdered across the country, it can't go on."
He spoke after the murders of a 17-year-old London girl and a boy, 17, in Greater Manchester, at the weekend.
New figures have suggested a 93% increase in children being stabbed.
The Home Office said Mr Javid will chair the second chief constables' round table on Wednesday, aimed at sharing experience and policing strategies for tackling violent crime.
Mr Javid said: "We're taking action on many fronts... It is vital that we unite to stop this senseless violence."
On Saturday evening, Yousef Ghaleb Makki, from Burnage, was stabbed to death in the village of Hale Barns, near Altrincham.
Two boys, also aged 17, have been arrested on suspicion of murder and remain in police custody.
Yousef's death came a day after Jodie Chesney was killed in a knife attack in an east London park on Friday night.
The teenager was stabbed in the back as she played music with five friends in a park, the Metropolitan Police said.
Officers say Jodie's attacker was a black male in his late teens but gave no further details. There are no descriptions of a second suspect.
Jodie's family branded it a "totally random and unprovoked attack".
BBC news.
The home secretary is to chair a meeting of police chiefs to combat the "senseless violence" that has seen a rise in the number of teenagers being stabbed to death across the UK.
Sajid Javid said: "Young people are being murdered across the country, it can't go on."
He spoke after the murders of a 17-year-old London girl and a boy, 17, in Greater Manchester, at the weekend.
New figures have suggested a 93% increase in children being stabbed.
The Home Office said Mr Javid will chair the second chief constables' round table on Wednesday, aimed at sharing experience and policing strategies for tackling violent crime.
Mr Javid said: "We're taking action on many fronts... It is vital that we unite to stop this senseless violence."
On Saturday evening, Yousef Ghaleb Makki, from Burnage, was stabbed to death in the village of Hale Barns, near Altrincham.
Two boys, also aged 17, have been arrested on suspicion of murder and remain in police custody.
Yousef's death came a day after Jodie Chesney was killed in a knife attack in an east London park on Friday night.
The teenager was stabbed in the back as she played music with five friends in a park, the Metropolitan Police said.
Officers say Jodie's attacker was a black male in his late teens but gave no further details. There are no descriptions of a second suspect.
Jodie's family branded it a "totally random and unprovoked attack".
BBC news.
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An Ankoù
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Teresa May is as guilty of these crimes as if she had wielded the knives herself. It was she, as Home Secretary, who decimated the police forces and
it's May who continues to unravel the structures of law and order in our now Benighted Kingdom. It's not just the victims either, it's their killers' lives who are ruined. Whether they're caught or not, imagine having to live with the knowledge of what you did on some dark winter's night when you were just a stupid kid yourself! Most of us have done stupid things, but when we were of that age we didn't stab people because we (like it or not) we had respect for the law. And we had respect because we knew it was enforced. It didn't even enter our heads. And there were much fewer restrictions on carrying knives, then, too.
Bar stool rant over.
it's May who continues to unravel the structures of law and order in our now Benighted Kingdom. It's not just the victims either, it's their killers' lives who are ruined. Whether they're caught or not, imagine having to live with the knowledge of what you did on some dark winter's night when you were just a stupid kid yourself! Most of us have done stupid things, but when we were of that age we didn't stab people because we (like it or not) we had respect for the law. And we had respect because we knew it was enforced. It didn't even enter our heads. And there were much fewer restrictions on carrying knives, then, too.
Bar stool rant over.
This is the problem too few police on the street and laughable sentences if you get caught there is no deterant and until there is kids will continue to carry knives for "self protection"
I think that's a true reflection. Remember when the mayor of New York made graffiti a jailable offence...it stopped....or something along those lines.
The government are discussing what to do about it meanwhile kids are being killed almost daily, another today.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47487294
A teenager has been stabbed to death in west London.
The male, aged in his late teens, was found with multiple stab wounds to the chest at 14:14 GMT on Lanfrey Place, West Kensington.
He received treatment from London's Air Ambulance but died a short time later, police said. A crime scene remains in place and no arrests have been made.
It comes on the same day a man died of wounds he suffered during a knife attack in central London on Sunday.
That victim, an unnamed 37-year-old, was found suffering from stab injuries at about 06.00 on Romilly Street, Soho. He died in hospital on Wednesday evening.
His next of kin have been informed but formal identification awaits.
A 34-year-old man was charged on Monday with two counts of attempted murder in relation to the incident and a second stabbing of a 16-year-old boy on nearby University Street, hours later.
A murder investigation has been launched and the charge for attempted murder will be subject to a review by the Crown Prosecution Service, police said.
London has seen at least 24 homicides since the start of 2019. Six teenagers have been murdered in the capital, all of whom died from stab wounds.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47487294
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47487294
A teenager has been stabbed to death in west London.
The male, aged in his late teens, was found with multiple stab wounds to the chest at 14:14 GMT on Lanfrey Place, West Kensington.
He received treatment from London's Air Ambulance but died a short time later, police said. A crime scene remains in place and no arrests have been made.
It comes on the same day a man died of wounds he suffered during a knife attack in central London on Sunday.
That victim, an unnamed 37-year-old, was found suffering from stab injuries at about 06.00 on Romilly Street, Soho. He died in hospital on Wednesday evening.
His next of kin have been informed but formal identification awaits.
A 34-year-old man was charged on Monday with two counts of attempted murder in relation to the incident and a second stabbing of a 16-year-old boy on nearby University Street, hours later.
A murder investigation has been launched and the charge for attempted murder will be subject to a review by the Crown Prosecution Service, police said.
London has seen at least 24 homicides since the start of 2019. Six teenagers have been murdered in the capital, all of whom died from stab wounds.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47487294
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Almost Finnished
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The problem is not knives, it's education.
Of course it is. Real, essential education begins at home and role models within the family and community.
I was a teacher and I loved all my kids (oo-err!), but I can't tell you the amount of times I saw great, brilliant kids fail because of pure peer pressure and environment.
Of course it is. Real, essential education begins at home and role models within the family and community.
I was a teacher and I loved all my kids (oo-err!), but I can't tell you the amount of times I saw great, brilliant kids fail because of pure peer pressure and environment.
Sorry but that is not the case the problem is knives and the fear of being attacked by someone carrying one.
Maybe its different in Finland but here the fear of being attacked is the reason these kids are carrying knives and the only way that is going to change is by increasing the fines or prison sentences and giving the police the power to stop and search anyone anytime the only people that would say they shouldn't be allowed to search anyone are those with something to hide.
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I don't think Almost Finnished quite got his context across as he meant it. Yes knives are a problem, but they're a problem in the wrong hands with the wrong intentions. Millions of knives are not a problem when used by people doing work, cooking, cutting fabric, leather etc... yet a knife in the hands of an impressionable kid, a scared kid, a violent type, a person with mental health issues etc. etc..... then you have a problem.
I can't question your point of course without hoping to offer in good faith some other point of view(otherwise I'm just a reactionary) so I'd suggest a look at this list of the lowest crime countries in the world. https://www.encyclopedia.com/articles/countries-with-the-lowest-crime-rate-in-the-world/
Everyone's opinion will be different, but I'd suggest that all those countries have something in common, and that's them being rich countries(like us in the UK), but with a much reduced gap between rich and poor(something that of course, cannot be changed overnight). Combine a wide, and ever widening gap like that, with a continuing reduction in Policing ability, and it's recipe for fomenting unrest and violence. Not that I would condone violence in any way as a method of social change.
I thoroughly agree with your points regarding fines and sentencing for knife crime and unlawful use, however I would disagree with a wide ranging power to stop and search anyone for any reason.That's a recipe for abuse. We cannot return to stop and search in the way the SPG used to use it in the 70's and 80's. However, regarding that... the Police have adequate powers in my view, but there simply aren't enough of them on the streets! I'm often amazed to see bobbys on the beat these days! That's not right!
Again i have to disagree there are certain parts of this country where this is the only way knife crime will be stopped more police on the streets with stop and search powers will make those carrying a knife think twice about doing so and only the determined ones are going to run the risk of being caught, police now have body cameras so there should be no return to the bad old days you refer to and as i said in my earlier post only those that have something to hide need fear stop and search.
We are used to reading about stabbings in London but today its in a town 8 miles from where i live -
A man has been arrested after a teenage boy was stabbed in Barrow-in-Furness.
The boy, aged 16, was seriously injured on Broad Close last night (Apr 24).
Officers were called by the North West Ambulance Service at 11.30pm after a report of the boy having been stabbed.
He is in hospital today where he remains in a stable but critical condition.
A Cumbria Police spokesman said: “Police can confirm a man, 22, has been arrested this afternoon. He is in custody.”
Investigations are underway and as a result a larger than normal police presence is likely to be seen in the town.
Detective Chief Inspector David Stalker said: “We would urge anyone with any information or who saw anything suspicious in and around this area at the time to contact us.
“I can assure the public that this is being taken extremely seriously and a dedicated team of detectives are working on the investigation.
“As a result residents may see a larger than normal police presence today as we carry out inquiries.
“We have a dedicated community team working with partners and residents in this area.”
Anyone with information can contact police on 101 or email [email protected].
https://www.cumbriacrack.com/2019/04/25/boy-critical-after-barrow-stabbing/
A man has been arrested after a teenage boy was stabbed in Barrow-in-Furness.
The boy, aged 16, was seriously injured on Broad Close last night (Apr 24).
Officers were called by the North West Ambulance Service at 11.30pm after a report of the boy having been stabbed.
He is in hospital today where he remains in a stable but critical condition.
A Cumbria Police spokesman said: “Police can confirm a man, 22, has been arrested this afternoon. He is in custody.”
Investigations are underway and as a result a larger than normal police presence is likely to be seen in the town.
Detective Chief Inspector David Stalker said: “We would urge anyone with any information or who saw anything suspicious in and around this area at the time to contact us.
“I can assure the public that this is being taken extremely seriously and a dedicated team of detectives are working on the investigation.
“As a result residents may see a larger than normal police presence today as we carry out inquiries.
“We have a dedicated community team working with partners and residents in this area.”
Anyone with information can contact police on 101 or email [email protected].
https://www.cumbriacrack.com/2019/04/25/boy-critical-after-barrow-stabbing/
