Animal cruelty

[Clint]

They cut the knackers off pigs bullocks without anaesthetic where they are standing the farm.

Moved from the horse whipping thread to keep it on topic - Admin.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I wasn't aware they did that Clint its barbaric how are they allowed to treat animals in that way.


This is from the RSPCA website why are they not stopping this?

The RSPCA is opposed to any unnecessary animal husbandry procedure — that is, any procedure that does not benefit the animal or group of animals involved. Procedures that are performed to prevent injury or disease in the animals or to control reproduction are acceptable, but procedures that are undertaken only for the benefit of people handling the animals, or for cosmetic reasons, are not.

The RSPCA’s position is that any procedure that may cause pain to the animals should be undertaken at the earliest possible age and only by competent and accredited operators. Appropriate pain-relieving products and treatments, and/or anaesthetics, must be used. Restraint of the animal for the procedure should be done in a way that minimises pain and distress, and appropriate postoperative care should be provided to minimise the risk of infection and to promote healing.

The long-term goal should be to replace invasive procedures with non-invasive alternatives.

 

[The Baron]

I watched the Yorkshire vert and he says it's painless???.
Edit
In fact if I remember from memory they do not cut them off (I think they used to)they use a clamping device which cuts of the blood and they then die and are absorbed back in to the body

 

[MashBag]

They cut the knackers off pigs bullocks without anaesthetic where they are standing the farm.

Moved from the horse whipping thread to keep it on topic - Admin.

Come on Clint. That's not strickly true. They use anesthetic first then a clamp, for 30/40 seconds. Some use bands, similar to human hemorrhoid banding treatment.

 

[MashBag]

I watched the Yorkshire vert and he says it's painless???

James herriot? That's got to be a repeat

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Come on Clint. That's not strickly true. They use anesthetic first then a clamp, for 30/40 seconds. Some use bands, similar to human hemorrhoid banding treatment.

In the article below it says we have made progress it doesn't say its banned here -

Some countries, like the UK and Ireland, have made progress toward that goal by slaughtering pigs before puberty, which reduces pork yields.

Right now, surgical castration of pigs without anesthetic is the norm in many countries, including the US. Its defenders, including the dominant US pork producer Smithfield Foods, argue that the procedure is necessary to avoid “boar taint,” an unpleasant odor and taste produced by the hormone androstenone and the digestive compound skatole.

But castration without anesthetic is, obviously, incredibly painful. A literature review from the American Veterinary Medical Association in 2013 documents extensive evidence that piglets experience pain during castration, from their high levels of stress hormones like cortisol, their squealing, and their trembling and lying alone for days following the procedure.

Policymakers in the European Union have been trying to abandon surgical castration for years; a 2010 declaration by an EU panel called for its abandonment in all EU member states by 2018, a goal that was very clearly not reached. Some countries, like the UK and Ireland, have made progress toward that goal by slaughtering pigs before puberty, which reduces pork yields.

Full article - https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/11/22/20974479/pig-castration-pain-humane-pork

 

[The Baron]

The Baron said:
I watched the Yorkshire vert and he says it's painless???

James herriot? That's got to be a repeat

No not the James Herriot series but there is a real life Vet programme that follows the vets around Yorkshire. One of the vets is James Herriots Trainee from many years ago.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

No not the James Herriot series but there is a real life Vet programme that follows the vets around Yorkshire. One of the vets is James Herriots Trainee from many years ago.

SWMBO watches it i am way too squeamish -

 

[The Baron]

That's the one Chippy.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Like a Wally I tagged it on the wrong reply Mashbag Doh!!!

Fixed it

 

[The Baron]

It's all coming back to me now(isn't there a song there)I remember historically when I was a kid many moons ago they used to nick them with a razor blade and flick them out when they were tiny piglets but now they do it has described by Mashbag

 

[Chippy_Tea]

It's all coming back to me now(isn't there a song there)I remember historically when I was a kid many moons ago they used to nick them with a razor blade and flick them out when they were tiny piglets but now they do it has described by Mashbag

I dont think they all do it with anaesthetic which is madness have a look at post #6

 

[Galena]

When I was a kid I used to help out on a farm and they certainly cut them off without anaesthetic in those days, used to cut lambs tails off without as well. Also used the rubber bands sometimes.

 

[MashBag]

Tbh, I thought we were talking about the RSPCA which is a UK organisation. Yorkshire is in the UK too. To now say "many countries" seems a bit like scope creep


In many countries they carry AK47s in the street but, that wasn't the case here, last time I checked

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Also used the rubber bands sometimes.

I remember those bands.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Tbh, I thought we were talking about the RSPCA which is a UK organisation. Yorkshire is in the UK too. To now say "many countries" seems a bit like scope creep

In the article it says the UK and Ireland have made progress by slaughtering pigs it doesn't say they are not still castrating without anesthetic.

Policymakers in the European Union have been trying to abandon surgical castration for years; a 2010 declaration by an EU panel called for its abandonment in all EU member states by 2018, a goal that was very clearly not reached. Some countries, like the UK and Ireland, have made progress toward that goal by slaughtering pigs before puberty, which reduces pork yields.

 

[MashBag]

My objection was to the op text.
I have worked with pigs, for meat production.
In conversation with others, at the time, that technique WAS used, but was always referred to in a "days gone by" context.

I replied to the sweeping generalisation that imo was written to provoke a response.
My apologies it wasn't the one you were hoping for, from someone with experience in the field (get it 'field' )

 

[Rodcx500z]

They cut the knackers off pigs bullocks without anaesthetic where they are standing the farm.

Moved from the horse whipping thread to keep it on topic - Admin.

I knew they did pigs but don't they use a rubber band on bulls at birth that restricts blood flow and they drop off and' what about human circmcition

 

[Clint]

Wasn't up to scratch with current practice but I do watch all the reruns of All Creatures Great and Small...