A kit similar to Timothy Taylor Landlord?

[kelper]

I've now brewed quite a few IPAs but none is similar to Landlord. Any suggestions? I'm not ready to go all grain.

 

[Bobtheblob]

No, that honour would probably go to Carlsberg.

 

[terrym]

I've now brewed quite a few IPAs but none is similar to Landlord. Any suggestions? I'm not ready to go all grain.

You could try the Festival Landlords Bitter.
https://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/threads/festival-landlords-best-bitter-review.25738/
""Festival premium ale kits allow you to recreate examples of some of the UK’s best loved beers" which suggests the kit is supposed to resemble the real thing.
Sadly mine didnt turn out anything like it. You might fare better.

 

[MyQul]

As @terrym states, festival landlords bitter might be your best bet. The thing is, with bitters, is they get a huge amount of their flavour from the yeast. So if like terry you use the kit yeast you may end up with a nice bitter but nothing like the original. Wyeast1469 is supposed to be the TT yeast so I'd suggest swapping out the kit yeast with this. Even then you may not get a good clone but it'd be much closer than using the kit yeast

 

[Beerlover]

These are supposed to be fantastic kits, will be ordering a few myself soon once I’ve brewed the ones I’ve already got!

 

[kelper]

Thanks. Can you post a link?

I've ordered this one from BrewUK. I'll review it later.

https://www.brewuk.co.uk/timothy-taylor.html

 

[SteveH]

I've ordered this one from BrewUK. I'll review it later.

https://www.brewuk.co.uk/timothy-taylor.html

You did say you weren't ready to go AG, but that's an AG recipe pack?

I've brewed that one, and the malt miller equivalent both turned out well - in both cases I used Wyeast 1469 and it definitely adds something compared to other yeasts I've used in similar recipes.

 

[kelper]

Sorry, I ordered their extract kit. I've edited the link already. Cheers. I did order it with the Wyeast 1469.

If I want to try the all grain kit what equipment would I need? I have a 17 litre stockpot to go on the induction hob. I guess I need a large bag but am not sure what spec to order.

These are the ingredients.

25g East Kent Golding Hops 45g Styrian Goldings 18g Black Malt 2.5kg Light dried malt extract Choice of yeast This recipe pack will give you approx 21 litres.

 

[terrym]

Sorry, I ordered their extract kit. I've edited the link already. Cheers. I did order it with the Wyeast 1469.

If I want to try the all grain kit what equipment would I need? I have a 17 litre stockpot to go on the induction hob. I guess I need a large bag but am not sure what spec to order.

These are the ingredients.

25g East Kent Golding Hops 45g Styrian Goldings 18g Black Malt 2.5kg Light dried malt extract Choice of yeast This recipe pack will give you approx 21 litres.

This extract recipe looks to be very similar to that in the Graham Wheeler 'Brew Your Own British Real Ale' book. My guess is that there is a small grain steep for the black malt, so in the main it's a simple boil of the DME and hops in the stock pot with the balance of the DME going into the FV as in a kit. The quantities are down on GW so you might be making less than 23 litres.
I brewed the GW recipe a few month back as an extract recipe and found it was nothing like TT, since the darker malts were noticeable. I concluded that this was because I used medium DME and the GW recipe had more black malt (30g for 23litres). I now no longer use medium DME only light now so that I can adjust my own extras as I wish.
Anyway I hope yours turns out nearer the original than mine did and a posted review later on from you would be really good.
And I use a 300mesh bag for doing my BIAB beers which I bought off ebay for £2 (from China) and which is more than big enough for my 11 litre pot and which works well in my set up. They are so cheap you could afford to buy two or even three mesh sizes to try them out to find which you like best.

 

[SteveH]

Sorry, I ordered their extract kit. I've edited the link already. Cheers. I did order it with the Wyeast 1469.

If I want to try the all grain kit what equipment would I need? I have a 17 litre stockpot to go on the induction hob. I guess I need a large bag but am not sure what spec to order.

I also started using a 17l stock pot on our kitchen induction hob, I got a bag from bj-filters on ebay which worked fine - obviously you have to choose the dimensions to fit your pot, but otherwise I don't think the spec is all that critical.

The process is pretty simple, heat about 12l water to about 70c, then drop the bag in and gradually add the crushed grain while stirring, add the lid and wrap in a blanket for an hour (maybe stirring a couple of times, but often I didn't until the end). Then I either rest the bag in a large colander or put it into a fermenting bucket, and trickle about 4l more hot water (about 75c) through the bag to rinse out any extra sugars, and top up the boil volume. After this point it's the same process as extract I think?

With this setup I'd normally get arount 10-12l into the FV, so with the AG kits I simply divided the ingredients in half and used for two brews.

I've since moved on to using a Robobrew but the process is basically the same, I can just do larger batches.

 

[kelper]

It will be interesting to compare the two Landlord kits from BrewUK - the all-grain versus the DME. I'll do that when I have done both.

Is anyone on their forum? It won't let me register, saying I'm a spammer.

 

[PhilBrew]

Hi kelper

Is anyone on their forum? It won't let me register, saying I'm a spammer

... I'm a mod on the BrewUK forum ... I've just checked and there are no notifications of new user registrations/first posts for me to approve, and no records that any other mods have disapproved anything either ... I can only guess that you're choosing a username that has previously been banned for spamming, maybe

If you want to pm me (on here) with details of what you tried to do, and what happened when you did it, I'll see if I can find out what might be going wrong.

Cheers, PhilB

 

[MyQul]

I also started using a 17l stock pot on our kitchen induction hob, I got a bag from bj-filters on ebay which worked fine - obviously you have to choose the dimensions to fit your pot, but otherwise I don't think the spec is all that critical.

The process is pretty simple, heat about 12l water to about 70c, then drop the bag in and gradually add the crushed grain while stirring, add the lid and wrap in a blanket for an hour (maybe stirring a couple of times, but often I didn't until the end). Then I either rest the bag in a large colander or put it into a fermenting bucket, and trickle about 4l more hot water (about 75c) through the bag to rinse out any extra sugars, and top up the boil volume. After this point it's the same process as extract I think?

With this setup I'd normally get arount 10-12l into the FV, so with the AG kits I simply divided the ingredients in half and used for two brews.

I've since moved on to using a Robobrew but the process is basically the same, I can just do larger batches.

I have a 15L stock pot. You are able to to make a full 23L stock pot if you have a 5L stock pot as well as you're 17L one plus a spare FV. Just mash in the spare FV instead of the 17L stock pot (as a 23L mash wont fit in a 17L of course). Then put as much of the wort into the 17L stock pot more or less up to the brim and the rest in the 5L pot. During the boil you have to keep an eye out for boil overs because the wort is so near the top of the stock pot. Once the boil is done put the wort in the FV and top up to 23L in the FV with water

 

[SteveH]

I have a 15L stock pot. You are able to to make a full 23L stock pot if you have a 5L stock pot as well as you're 17L one plus a spare FV...

Ah good point - I did attempt "maxi BIAB" a couple of times where you mash more grain to get a stronger wort, then dilute in the FV, also did a partial mash with a mash plus a kit can (no sugar/DME). Didn't consider using a second smaller pot though, that's a good idea if your stove will take it (my Bosch induction hob started cutting out towards the end of an hour boil with just the 17l pot being heated, which was another reason for switching to an all-in-one system).

 

[PhilBrew]

This extract recipe looks to be very similar to that in the Graham Wheeler 'Brew Your Own British Real Ale' book. My guess is that there is a small grain steep for the black malt, so in the main it's a simple boil of the DME and hops in the stock pot with the balance of the DME going into the FV as in a kit. The quantities are down on GW so you might be making less than 23 litres.
I brewed the GW recipe a few month back as an extract recipe and found it was nothing like TT, since the darker malts were noticeable. I concluded that this was because I used medium DME and the GW recipe had more black malt (30g for 23litres). I now no longer use medium DME only light now so that I can adjust my own extras as I wish.

... I made the BrewUK Timmy Taylor's Landlord AG kit as my first ever maxi-BIAB AG brew ... I can confirm that it is based on the GW recipe, but adjusted for the AA% of the hops and the amount of black malt adjusted for the EBC of the grain/DME that they have in stock (to give the bitterness and colour that Graham specified) ... I did a side by side comparison of the beer I made and a bottle of Landlord and found them very similar ... there was a lack of fruitiness in mine that I put down to yeast (I didn't use the wet yeast) and/or the flavour aroma hops (they provide Bobek in the kit, though I believe TT use Savijnski (sp) Styrians)

Cheers, PhilB

 

[MyQul]

.(they provide Bobek in the kit, though I believe TT use Savijnski (sp) Styrians)

There's a YT vid that has the head brewer stating they use Savinjski Styrians

 

[kelper]

The bottled TTL never tastes as good as the cask stuff. Is it filtered and pasteurised?

 

[MyQul]

The bottled TTL never tastes as good as the cask stuff. Is it filtered and pasteurised?

It's definately filtered as it's not a bottle conditioned beer (then you'd be able to capture some yeast to culture up and it'd be on my 'bottle conditioned beer list'). Not sure about it being pasteurised

 

[terrym]

The bottled TTL never tastes as good as the cask stuff. Is it filtered and pasteurised?

+1 on that.
I never buy the bottled beer but will always go for the cask ale if its on.

 

[Llamaman]

There's a YT vid that has the head brewer stating they use Savinjski Styrians

Yet the advertising campaign only mentions fuggles.
Perhaps they were worried that Savinjski Styrians sounded too foreign.