4-Way Secondary c02 Regulator

[amusedparrot]

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone had a solution to secondary air regulation, I have seen a few builds from America that use the 4 way secondary regulators that they sell on KegWorks and that looks like it would meet my needs nicely.

However, I have not been able to find anything in the UK and importing one doesn't look very cheap. Ideally I am looking to run 4 (or maybe 5) kegs off the same CO2 tank and would like to be able to vary the pressure between them.

Thanks

 

[markmark]

See if you can find a 'gas management board'. Norman the corny keg man used to have them, but I'm not sure how available they are these days. I've a feeling that around the time I bought mine they were getting scarce......but I'm not sure about that in all honesty.

If you can get hold of one of these, it has 4 outlets than can be set to individual pressures.

 

[joe1002]

Sounds like you need a gas management board like this:

It has six outlets, which can have three different pressures. The four outlets on the left set at the lowest pressure, the fifth one at medium pressure and the sixth one at the highest of the three pressures.

These are now becoming scarse as rocking horse poo, keep an eye on normannumpa on ebay, or e-mail him (details in the links section, top left).

I believe you can also get effectively four regulators linked together which will do what you want, I think. Something like this:

But I'm not sure where you get something like that from.

 

[kev]

The gas mgmt board in the first pic is a total waste of time as the dials are far too high a scale. Mine went up to 200 psi or something stupid which made dialling in 5 psi a bit tricky.

The second pic (4 linked reg's) is the way forward but they're a nightmare to find.

K

 

[Fil]

Whats your keg temp control like,
and how often do you want to change the beerline length to compensate for balancing keg pressure to minimise foaming on higher pressure lines?

i use 2 serving pressures for my kegs 1 low for bitters etc and the second high for lager and gingerbeer and coke once.. but i am limited with my temp control over the kegs. I control the flow from the lower pressure kegs with flow control taps but use restricting 3/16th line to balance the higher pressure kegs, i keep the same length in place and adjust the pressure according to ambient temps and whether the shelf chiller is running.

for successful serving you need to consider three variables over which you can exert some control(the more the better), the keg pressure the keg temp and the restricting properties of your dispensing line.

Imho without individual control over each beers serving temp and being prepared to replumb for significant pressure changes 5 variable kegs is a nice idea but not a practical goal sorry,,

 

[Buster]

This is mine, I got it from Norm one of the forum sponsors.

 

[amusedparrot]

Whats your keg temp control like?

It is a temperature controlled Keezer, pretty good control over the temperature and everything is served at the same temp.

How often do you want to change the beerline length to compensate for balancing keg pressure to minimise foaming on higher pressure lines?

I tend to have mostly the same things on tap, one ginger beer, one ale, one cider and then one other, I don't mind messing around with that last beer line length too much given it is likely to either be another ale, a larger or a lemonade. My plan is also to upgrade all of my taps to flow control taps as well.

If like you say thought it is not likely to actually be manageable then i'll go back to the drawing board. Not sure if you have any other suggestions for serving multiple styles of drink out of this type of keezer.

 

[amusedparrot]

This is mine, I got it from Norm one of the forum sponsors.

Nice one man, how do you find it? do you tend to serve two multiple styles of drink with it at different pressures?

 

[amusedparrot]

The gas mgmt board in the first pic is a total waste of time as the dials are far too high a scale. Mine went up to 200 psi or something stupid which made dialling in 5 psi a bit tricky.

The second pic (4 linked reg's) is the way forward but they're a nightmare to find.

Thanks man, I appreciate it, that picture looks a lot like what I was thinking and I agree they do tend to be hard to find.

 

[Fil]

If like you say thought it is not likely to actually be manageable then i'll go back to the drawing board. Not sure if you have any other suggestions for serving multiple styles of drink out of this type of keezer.

Dont want to put you off planning for the best system u can impliment, just questioning if you need to serve 5 different styles at the same time.. but with enough thought anything is do-able

You could partition off with insulation areas within the keezer with different temp probes/controllers, fans and extra heaters, setting the keezer main to the lowest temp u need and individual partitions within can be set warmer. (just an idea)

Or use a keezer in conjunction with another chiller option such as a shelf chiller to add extra chill to higher conditioned beers ?

and in the UK ive found an insulated keg kept in a cool spot can maintain a 12C and lower temp 7-8 months in the year in a choice spot.. so pulling a few kegs out of the keezer when ambient is ideal for thier condition is a cheap easy option

Planning your brewing so you have styles together that are easy to serve together is another option. botteling the surplus from a batch gives you the option to sample later when serving a different style :)

as generally the ideal pressure you serve at is the balance with the keg temp for the ideal condition for that style. However... if the difference between ideal and do-able is minimal set the pressure/temp to do-able, and the loss or addition of condition due to the difference will be gradual, and should it become noticable u can fix with either a shake n vent to drop the condition or a short blast of hi pressure to recondition.. but u may find the change is so gradual u drain the keg b4 u notice it..

AS im more at the mercy of ambient temps i need to tweek my serving pressures a bit every month or so and pay attention to big temp changes..

Without the fine temp control u have i still manage to serve within 2 ranges of condition, which covers most styles to my satisfaction.

also i found my black plastic uk style flow control taps great with 3/8" line from my kegs thru a chiller (4-5m total length) upto about 8psi serving pressure when i can set with the first pint and pour consistently.. with higher pressures they are pants never quite finding the sweetspot, and need a tamper each pour..

However i think if you were to use in conjunction with a length of *edit THIN line to take the most of the pressure off the tap they may work better with higher keg pressures.

happy planning :)

 

[Buster]

This is mine, I got it from Norm one of the forum sponsors.

Nice one man, how do you find it? do you tend to serve two multiple styles of drink with it at different pressures?

More than pleased with it over the last 2 years, it allows me to carbonate beers at 20/30psi as well as serve at 5/12psi at the same time. It,s now set up with a 4 Corny Kegerator using the regulator outside with a single 3/8 gas pipe through the drain holein the rear of the Kegerator, split inside to 4 Cornys at the same serving psi which leaves the other 2 for carbonating/conditioning outside.

 

[Hawks]

I have one like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CORNELIUS...0?pt=UK_BOI_Restaurant_RL&hash=item4ac87f1a62 Allows me to have 2.5psi for my ales and 20psi for sealing the kegs :thumb:

always a few on the bay o plenty, and you can join them up as they have a 2 outputs - one regulated to change the pressure, and one that comes out at the pressure set from your primary.

 

[amusedparrot]

I have one like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CORNELIUS...0?pt=UK_BOI_Restaurant_RL&hash=item4ac87f1a62 Allows me to have 2.5psi for my ales and 20psi for sealing the kegs :thumb:

always a few on the bay o plenty, and you can join them up as they have a 2 outputs - one regulated to change the pressure, and one that comes out at the pressure set from your primary.

Cheers man, that looks very promising.