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Hi All

If a recipe says 0 mins hops when exactly do you add them and take them out ?

Would I transfer the wort from the boiler to the FV then chuck them in....

Or do I add them to the boiler after boiling / while the wort is cooling... The transfer to the FV leaving them behind...

Confused!

Cheers
 
Hi there yes second one...put them in the boiler once you have finished boiling and are cooling the wort...then drain off the wort leaving behind the hops :thumb:
 
Cononthebarber said:
Hi there yes second one...put them in the boiler once you have finished boiling and are cooling the wort...then drain off the wort leaving behind the hops :thumb:

Thanks for the reply!

So is this the same as dry hopping ? or is that a different thing ?

Does adding them at this stage stop the need of adding any in the FV for aroma purposes ?
 
No dry hopping is adding hops to your FV - usually after fermentation is complete - people usually put them in a muslin bag and suspend them in the wort for added aroma...

Adding hops at the end of the boil adds aroma but not bitterness as the hops dont get boiled...if you want extra aroma either add more at the end of your boil or dry hop after ferment has finished :thumb:
 
Cononthebarber said:
No dry hopping is adding hops to your FV - usually after fermentation is complete - people usually put them in a muslin bag and suspend them in the wort for added aroma...

Adding hops at the end of the boil adds aroma but not bitterness as the hops dont get boiled...if you want extra aroma either add more at the end of your boil or dry hop after ferment has finished :thumb:

So to take this further...

Would adding more hops at the end of boil give more aroma or would dry hopping ?

Or is it one and the same ?

Starting to try to get my head around how recipe is built up...
 
I'm afraid I have never experimented with dry hopping so couldn't comment really...I'm only on AG#6 so still have a lot to learn myself :lol:

I am sure that someone else will be along soon enough with an answer for you...
 
They both add aroma. You can do both if you want, I assume dry hopping gives a slightly fresher taste though.

It's not the same as dry hopping, but it is somewhat akin to steeping, as that's basically what you're doing.
 
As above but the temp of the wort should be allowed to cool to 80degC before adding post boil hops.
 
Yep, the key thing here is the temperature:

Dry hopping involves adding hops to the FV (or sometimes the keg) after fermentation. When the beer is cool, it doesn't drive off the delicate aroma - this is the ultimate for getting hop aroma. Its even possible to dry hop using an in-line hop container between the keg and beer tap for even fresher hop aroma. But the lack of heat also means theres not a great deal of flavour and hardly any bitterness extracted. (It also helps to wait until after the fermentation, because the C02 being created and floating away can (as I understand it) carry off aroma with it).

Hops that are added whilst the boiler is at 100c have much more aroma driven off but the heat helps to extract more bitterness and flavour. Those boiled for a long time also have flavour driven off too, so mostly just add bitterness (60 or 90mins hops), but later ones (say 20, 15, 10 and 0 min hops) contribute progressively more flavour and less bitterness. 0 min can sometimes be called 'flame out' as its when you switch/turn off the boiler, this is perhaps the soonest you could consider the hops to be technically called post-boil but theres not a massive difference to those added slightly earlier.

Sort of sitting between the two is the 80c steep - if you add hops below 80C (as the boiler cools) theres supposedly now not enough heat to extract much bitterness or to drive off as much aroma as when its hotter. Personally I used this extensively and it works but I'm moving away from it because I find it a bit of a compromise, and seem to get better results (especially for aroma) from different combinations of later boil and dry hops to get the ballance of flavour and aroma I want.

Just to complicate matters there is also First Wort Hopping, which is rather open to debate but you add them to the boiler as its filled - the theory is that the hot but not yet boiling wort causes a conversion which allows flavour to make it through the boil, at the expense of some bitterness. I've experimented with this and believe it does do something like that, but currently I'm finding it more predictable to separate bittering and flavour in terms of 90min and later hops.

All that aside though, to some extent we can struggle to perceive flavour and aroma as separate things, so its all enormously subjective.

Cheers
kev
 
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