Electric cars.

JockyBrewer · Nov 29, 2024

Seeking an example of transition, I was looking back at lead replacement petrol earlier.

Lead in petrol was banned in 2000. Lead replacement petrol for cars that couldn’t run on unleaded was discontinued due to lack of demand in 2003.

Chippy_Tea · Nov 30, 2024

JockyBrewer said:
Seeking an example of transition, I was looking back at lead replacement petrol earlier.

Lead in petrol was banned in 2000. Lead replacement petrol for cars that couldn’t run on unleaded was discontinued due to lack of demand in 2003.

I wonder what classic car owners use.

Chippy_Tea · Nov 30, 2024

Chippy_Tea said:
I wonder what classic car owners use

The answer for those who haven't had the valve steams replaced -

JockyBrewer · Nov 30, 2024

Chippy_Tea said:
I wonder what classic car owners use.

Your point is?

foxy · Dec 1, 2024

In Australia EV's sales have been falling while hybrid sales have been rising. It makes sense to prolong the sales rule until 2035 for hybrids. A lot can happen in that time.
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...allow-sales-of-prius-style-hybrids-until-2035

Larse · Dec 1, 2024

foxy said:
In Australia EV's sales have been falling while hybrid sales have been rising. It makes sense to prolong the sales rule until 2035 for hybrids. A lot can happen in that time.
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...allow-sales-of-prius-style-hybrids-until-2035

I see absolutely no point in hybrids. They are getting very expensive - for obvious reasons* - and really if you need hybrid, a petrol or diesel will fit the use case and if not a BEV will.

*The obvious reasons being that they have to have an ICE and a battery and motor and all the gubbins to make them work together. They are the vehicle equivalent of comfort braking (you'll recognise this phenomenon when driving behind a car that brakes often but doesn't actually slow down) - hybrids give people the false comfort of doing something for the environment when actually doing nothing.

Chippy_Tea · Dec 1, 2024

Seeking an example of transition, I was looking back at lead replacement petrol earlier.

Lead in petrol was banned in 2000. Lead replacement petrol for cars that couldn’t run on unleaded was discontinued due to lack of demand in 2003.

Chippy_Tea said:
I wonder what classic car owners use.

JockyBrewer said:
Your point is?

I thought the reason why i asked the question was fairly obvious.

Chippy_Tea · Dec 1, 2024

foxy said:
In Australia EV's sales have been falling while hybrid sales have been rising. It makes sense to prolong the sales rule until 2035 for hybrids. A lot can happen in that time.

I am planning on getting a hybrid it wont be new but i hope it'll still be in warranty.

Chippy_Tea · Dec 1, 2024

Larse said:
hybrids give people the false comfort of doing something for the environment when actually doing nothing.

I wont be buying my Hybrid because i am worried about the environment especially as the government are not forcing the biggest polluters on our roads to change to electric, a wagon does about 9mpg max and 5mpg worst most run 8 hours a day, most cars drive to work park up then drive back 8 hours later then we have Trains, wagons, vans etc that are running all day every day, we produce 1.1% of global emissions as usual they are hitting the car owners because we wont fight back, remember no road fund licence on EV when they came out.

Whilst loaded on decent motorway runs expect 7 to 9mpg (possibly 10) from the 44 tonner, on normal two way roads involving traffic multiple junctions and hill climbing that could drop as low as 5mpg.

I will be buying Hybrid because i don't have the convenience of low cost home charging and for the amount of MPG i can squeeze out of the Hybrid, the Yaris Cross is different to most Hybrids as its designed to run on electric as much as it can it only has a small 3 cylinder engine which is very efficient and therefore the fuel figures are amazing, 100mpg in town/cities (see real world figures in the video)

BTW it looks awful in blue probably the worst colour in the range.

The UK ranked 17th with 1.1% of global emissions. China produced 28% and was responsible for almost two-thirds of the growth in emissions since 2000. The chart also looks at the sector of emissions. Electricity plants were the largest source with 27%, followed by transport with 25%

Omega · Dec 1, 2024

Chippy_Tea said:
a Yaris Cross is different to most Hybrids as its designed to run on electric as much as it can and therefore the fuel figures are amazing, 100mpg in town/cities (see real world figures in the video)

Can you charge the battery from the grid too? I am considering EV or hybrid at the moment, I like Yaris because it is so compact, very convenient for parking and cleaning (and this is very important to me because I do them regularly

). However, since my wife will be driving it mainly around the town, it will be very convenient charging from the grid instead of feeling the tank. I suspect I might be buying 0 petrol if I can charge from the grid overnight

Chippy_Tea · Dec 1, 2024

Omega said:
Can you charge the battery from the grid too?

No this explains it -

The Hybrid system runs on battery power as much as it can then the engine kicks in to charge it when needed or if you accelerate hard, the battery also charges during breaking or coasting.

Chippy_Tea · Dec 1, 2024

it will be very convenient charging from the grid instead of feeling the tank.

You can buy plug in EV's but they only average around 50 miles range if you don't have home charging owning one would be a pita.

Larse · Dec 1, 2024

Chippy_Tea said:
I wont be buying my Hybrid because i am worried about the environment especially as the government are not forcing the biggest polluters on our roads to change to electric, a wagon does about 9mpg max and 5mpg worst most run 8 hours a day, most cars drive to work park up then drive back 8 hours later then we have Trains, wagons, vans etc that are running all day every day, we produce 1.1% of global emissions as usual they are hitting the car owners because we wont fight back, remember no road fund licence on EV when they came out.

I will be buying Hybrid because i don't have the convenience of low cost home charging and for the amount of MPG i can squeeze out of the Hybrid, the Yaris Cross is different to most Hybrids as its designed to run on electric as much as it can it only has a small 3 cylinder engine which is very efficient and therefore the fuel figures are amazing, 100mpg in town/cities (see real world figures in the video)

BTW it looks awful in blue probably the worst colour in the range.

None of that was my point, some people think it's a 'stepping stone' or better than ICE, when in effect it's not. Many PHEVs are never plugged in at all. Arguments based on whataboutery (what about trucks, trains, the rest of the world) don't carry any weight with me.

Still a pointless car in my opinion. Get a petrol or diesel if you can't use (or it doesn't suit your use case) a BEV.

Hybrids are expensive and pointless.

jof · Dec 1, 2024

Larse said:
Many PHEVs are never plugged in at all.

Because they were (in the past) bought as company cars when they had tax advantages.

Then you couldn't claim expenses for any charging at home and they didn't come with a charging lead, so the reps just treated them as regular ice cars & claimed their petrol receipts like they always used to.

If you wanted to donate your electricity from.home you would even have to buy the charging cable as an optional extra.

Chippy_Tea · Dec 1, 2024

Larse said:
Still a pointless car in my opinion.

Well as the old saying goes "Opinions are like arseh0les we all have them and most of them stink"

My current car does 40 mpg when i look at the display in my Yaris Cross and I am getting close to 100mpg as I silently drive down the road I will remember your opinion in this thread and rember how glad i am I ignored it.

Larse · Dec 1, 2024

Chippy_Tea said:
Well as the old saying goes "Opinions are like arseh0les we all have them and most of them stink"

My current car does 40 mpg when i look at the display in my Yaris Cross and I am getting close to 100mpg as I silently drive down the road I will remember your opinion in this thread and rember how glad i am I ignored it.

And you're probably one of the few use cases where it actually makes sense. But the vast majority buy them because they have longer range than BEVs which pretty much puts them in diesel or petrol territory because the battery range is irrelevant on long journeys, nor is there any real saving in mpg. And they're expensive. Toyota Prius is now around £37k. Madness.

JockyBrewer · Dec 1, 2024

Chippy_Tea said:
I thought the reason why i asked the question was fairly obvious.

Well they use unleaded with additives they add to the petrol tank.

My point was that by the time the leaded petrol ban came in the masses had switched away from it already.

I think we might see the same with the end of ICE.

Larse · Dec 1, 2024

JockyBrewer said:
Well they use unleaded with additives they add to the petrol tank.

My point was that by the time the leaded petrol ban came in the masses had switched away from it already.

I think we might see the same with the end of ICE.

Even before the ban, it was hard enough to find leaded petrol at the pumps. Not everywhere had it.

When you think back on it now, it seems completely bonkers that we were burning lead and throwing it into the air.

And 40 years from now, the same look back will seem bonkers about petrol and diesel too.

old dog new tricks · Dec 1, 2024

Chippy_Tea said:
You can buy plug in EV's but they only average around 50 miles range if you don't have home charging owning one would be a pita.

well my BEV is doing 5 times that in the cold spell and 6 timers that in the warmer season and it gets used daily only vehicle and driven as normal.

not sure where you base the 50 mile on?

Cwrw666 · Dec 1, 2024

JockyBrewer said:
Well they use unleaded with additives they add to the petrol tank.

My point was that by the time the leaded petrol ban came in the masses had switched away from it already.

I think we might see the same with the end of ICE.

The end of ICE will come swiftly when filling stations have to charge more and more for fuel because they have fewer and fewer customers. Then it'll be ICE drivers who are whinging about lack of infrastructure whereas atm they complain that's the problem with Bevs.

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