Would you still vote for Brexit?

[TonyT]

What your final paragraph means firstly is that it’s all going to be a colossal leap of faith (I believe...there is a lot to hope for), it also implies that if it all goes horribly wrong, the people who will have to carry the can are the ones who said it was a stupid idea in the first place.

That was a reply to Justin, sorry put it in the wrong place

 

[Justin Dean]

I, for one would love to see that happen, but I don't see any initiatives to put it in place. Who's going to replace the Eastern European tradesmen? Where are the courses and apprenticeships to train up our own lads? Where are the places in medical school to make British doctors for British hospitals? Why are we still head-hunting nurses in countries that need them most?
We've had four years to start planning for this day. Your and my signing up to make this work is all very laudable, but it needs some will from the top.

There are apprenticeships in the uk. Commons library summary

Apprenticeship starts in 2018/19 In 2018/19, there were 742,400 people participating in an apprenticeship in England, with 393,400 apprenticeship starts and 185,100 apprenticeship achievements. The number of starts fell in 2017/18 following the introduction of a new apprenticeship funding system in May 2017. The number of starts has increased from 2017/18 to 2018/19, but is still below the number before the new funding system was introduced. Starts at intermediate level and by apprentices aged 25 and over were particularly affected. 72,400 fewer people were participating in an apprenticeship in 2018/19 than in 2017/18. Constituency data on apprenticeship starts are available in the Constituency Apprenticeship Statistics spreadsheet accompanying this Briefing Paper. Starts by apprentice characteristics The age profile of people starting apprenticeships changed between 2017/18 and 2018/19, with a higher proportion of starts from apprentices over the age of 24. 46% of the apprenticeships started in 2018/19 were by people aged 25. The age group with the largest increase was by those aged between 35 and 44, with 21% more starts than in 2017/18. The gender profile has also changed. The number of women and men starting apprenticeships were almost at the same level, with slightly more starts by women (50.1%). In 2017/18, there were slightly more starts by men (51%). Starts by apprenticeship characteristic Apprenticeship starts were more likely to be at a higher level in 2018/19. 44% of apprenticeships started in 2018/19 were at advanced level, with 19% started at higher level. In 2017/18, 44% of apprenticeship starts were at advanced level and 13% were at higher level. The number of starts at intermediate level in 2018/19 have fallen heavily. 36% of apprenticeship starts were at intermediate level in 2018/19. This is down from 63% in 2011/12. There were 22,500 level 6 and 7 starts in 2018/19. In 2017/18 there were only 11,000 starts at these levels. The number of starts on apprenticeship standards increased by over 84,000 between 2017/18 and 2018/19, while the number of framework starts fell by almost 67,000. 63% of apprenticeship starts were on standards in 2018/19, up from 44% in 2017/18. 83% of all starts were in four subject areas: Business, Administration and Law; Health, Public Services and Care; Engineering and Manufacturing Technologies and Retail & Commercial Enterprise.

When we say replace eastern European tradesmen, why eastern European?

When you say British doctors, doctors in the uk national health service come from all over the world, why would that change?

Why are we headhunting nurses from around the world, because we have a massive state funded nhs....why would that change?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

EU membership cost each of us about £128 a year or less.

I will be happy to see my £128 being spent on things in the UK that desperately need funding.

 

[Appleyard]

Not to the EU, but the country than back than had a free trade agreement with EU - UK still doesn't

Oh dear, so it wasn't to the eu! I do wonder why? What operations did Mr Dyson relocate, precisely? Was it his headquarters, his manufacturing, or what?

 

[Justin Dean]

What your final paragraph means firstly is that it’s all going to be a colossal leap of faith (I believe...there is a lot to hope for), it also implies that if it all goes horribly wrong, the people who will have to carry the can are the ones who said it was a stupid idea in the first place.

I understand that but regardless make it work in the UK and it can be a success? British mentality will see us through. We have work ethic here in he UK (mostly!)

 

[Appleyard]

Why is it that some people seem to be assuming that if there's "no deal", then all trade and interaction will abruptly cease?

 

[An Ankoù]

There are apprenticeships in the uk. Commons library summary

Apprenticeship starts in 2018/19 In 2018/19, there were 742,400 people participating in an apprenticeship in England, with 393,400 apprenticeship starts and 185,100 apprenticeship achievements. The number of starts fell in 2017/18 following the introduction of a new apprenticeship funding system in May 2017. The number of starts has increased from 2017/18 to 2018/19, but is still below the number before the new funding system was introduced. Starts at intermediate level and by apprentices aged 25 and over were particularly affected. 72,400 fewer people were participating in an apprenticeship in 2018/19 than in 2017/18. Constituency data on apprenticeship starts are available in the Constituency Apprenticeship Statistics spreadsheet accompanying this Briefing Paper. Starts by apprentice characteristics The age profile of people starting apprenticeships changed between 2017/18 and 2018/19, with a higher proportion of starts from apprentices over the age of 24. 46% of the apprenticeships started in 2018/19 were by people aged 25. The age group with the largest increase was by those aged between 35 and 44, with 21% more starts than in 2017/18. The gender profile has also changed. The number of women and men starting apprenticeships were almost at the same level, with slightly more starts by women (50.1%). In 2017/18, there were slightly more starts by men (51%). Starts by apprenticeship characteristic Apprenticeship starts were more likely to be at a higher level in 2018/19. 44% of apprenticeships started in 2018/19 were at advanced level, with 19% started at higher level. In 2017/18, 44% of apprenticeship starts were at advanced level and 13% were at higher level. The number of starts at intermediate level in 2018/19 have fallen heavily. 36% of apprenticeship starts were at intermediate level in 2018/19. This is down from 63% in 2011/12. There were 22,500 level 6 and 7 starts in 2018/19. In 2017/18 there were only 11,000 starts at these levels. The number of starts on apprenticeship standards increased by over 84,000 between 2017/18 and 2018/19, while the number of framework starts fell by almost 67,000. 63% of apprenticeship starts were on standards in 2018/19, up from 44% in 2017/18. 83% of all starts were in four subject areas: Business, Administration and Law; Health, Public Services and Care; Engineering and Manufacturing Technologies and Retail & Commercial Enterprise.

When we say replace eastern European tradesmen, why eastern European?

When you say British doctors, doctors in the uk national health service come from all over the world, why would that change?

Why are we headhunting nurses from around the world, because we have a massive state funded nhs....why would that change?

Then it's not really clear what it is that YOU want to change. Innovation and science, great. What do you mean? Innovation is very vague; innovation in what field or fields. In any case, Innovators and scientists are relatively few in number in any population. What about the average man and woman? As I said, I'd like to share your dream, but not your pipe dream. That's not going to keep the boys' and girls back home's bellies full. Let's have some concrete ideas and facts rather than a litany of commons propaganda and a vague notion of "innovation". How can you seriously promote innovation in one breath and in the next, answer my points with "Why should that change"? A bit of a contradiction, don't you think?

 

[kelper]

I will be happy to see my £128 being spent on things in the UK that desperately need funding.

It's already been spent on Brexit preparations!

 

[the_quick]

Oh dear, so it wasn't to the eu! I do wonder why? What operations did Mr Dyson relocate, precisely? Was it his headquarters, his manufacturing, or what?

Really? You are not able to connect the dots? Tax system the suits Dyson better and ability to trade freely with the EU. If he believed own words, he would have stayed here, invest in British market and employed local people.
Why? Many reason, have a read here: LINK

I'm still waiting for someone to give me example of tangible benefits of Brexit.

 

[Appleyard]

Really? You are not able to connect the dots? Tax system the suits Dyson better and ability to trade freely with the EU. If he believed own words, he would have stayed here, invest in British market and employed local people.
Why? Many reason, have a read here: LINK

I'm still waiting for someone to give me example of tangible benefits of Brexit.

Sorry, I think I've missed the answers to the questions.

Mr Dyson relocated something (what?) but not to the eu. Why? What operations did Mr Dyson relocate, precisely? Was it his headquarters, his manufacturing, or what? I wanted you to tell me, since you brought it up, not refer me to some old stuff on the 'net.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

It's already been spent on Brexit preparations!

Well money well spent and when they are finally paid off it'll be spent on worth while causes in my country.

 

[kelper]

UK may come out of this well in about five years. Nobody knows. Covid-19 will have cost our economy billions so it's unfortunate timing.

 

[Justin Dean]

The same old discussion that goes round and round.

 

[the_quick]

Let me help you there, as it appears you are not able to follow provided link, which from 2019, so not that old.

Mr Dyson relocated something (what?)

Headquarters - if you need explanation what a headquarters of operations is, you would need to educate yourself on that.
Dyson manufacturing was already moved to Malaysia few years ago - cheaper labour.
The main benefits of moving to Singapore are taxes and ability to deal with EU without tariffs - and these are reasons he moved. And Brexit partially caused it - and this was my main point.

The same old discussion that goes round and round.

I fully agree with you on that point.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

The same old discussion that goes round and round.

That's how Brexit debates have always gone i cannot see it changing any time soon.

 

[Justin Dean]

Then it's not really clear what it is that YOU want to change. Innovation and science, great. What do you mean? Innovation is very vague; innovation in what field or fields. In any case, Innovators and scientists are relatively few in number in any population. What about the average man and woman? As I said, I'd like to share your dream, but not your pipe dream. That's not going to keep the boys' and girls back home's bellies full. Let's have some concrete ideas and facts rather than a litany of commons propaganda and a vague notion of "innovation". How can you seriously promote innovation in one breath and in the next, answer my points with "Why should that change"? A bit of a contradiction, don't you think?

Mhvpoknts are in re

Then it's not really clear what it is that YOU want to change. Innovation and science, great. What do you mean? Innovation is very vague; innovation in what field or fields. In any case, Innovators and scientists are relatively few in number in any population. What about the average man and woman? As I said, I'd like to share your dream, but not your pipe dream. That's not going to keep the boys' and girls back home's bellies full. Let's have some concrete ideas and facts rather than a litany of commons propaganda and a vague notion of "innovation". How can you seriously promote innovation in one breath and in the next, answer my points with "Why should that change"? A bit of a contradiction, don't you think?

I do not think you understand whst I mean. Sorry

 

[Appleyard]

Let me help you there, as it appears you are not able to follow provided link, which from 2019, so not that old.
Headquarters - if you need explanation what a headquarters of operations is, you would need to educate yourself on that.
Dyson manufacturing was already moved to Malaysia few years ago - cheaper labour.
The main benefits of moving to Singapore are taxes and ability to deal with EU without tariffs - and these are reasons he moved. And Brexit partially caused it - and this was my main point.


I fully agree with you on that point.

Now, now, steady on, behave yourself, please.

I did ask you, for discussion, and I did not want just some old reference to a link to whatever, which is insufficient.

It is good that you have now (sort-of) said you were alluding to Mr Dyson's move of Dyson HQ to Singapore, which the eu has a trading agreement with - as does the UK.

Mr Dyson moved manufacturing to Malaysia not just "a few years ago", but nearly two decades ago, well before any talk of an eu referendum, let alone before the result. In fact, he moved manufacturing at a date nearer to the creation of the eu (10 years after) than to the date of the announcement of a UK eu referendum (13 years before that announcement).

Neither thing was to do with Brexit, in fact, as the article you indicated in fact says. As far as I know, Dyson still employs over 3.000 people in the UK.

 

[Rodcx500z]

UK may come out of this well in about five years. Nobody knows. Covid-19 will have cost our economy billions so it's unfortunate timing.

Covid It might well cost us billions, but it's a 2 way street and will cost Germany and France a lot of billions more, anyway time for a beer

 

[the_quick]

It is good that you have now (sort-of) said you were alluding to Mr Dyson's move of Dyson HQ to Singapore, which the eu has a trading agreement with - as does the UK

but UK does not have one with EU

 

[An Ankoù]

Mhvpoknts are in re
I do not think you understand whst I mean. Sorry

Quite possibly. Spell it out for me. I'm having a complete brain-fart today.