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MyQul
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From the Guardian Business Blog
Nearly 2,000 pubs, breweries and cider makers are now offering takeaway or delivery services to help keep themselves afloat during the coronavirus lockdown, according to the Campaign for Real Ale.
The industry group has a directory of these initiatives as part of its Pulling Together, campaign where it’s also asking customers to join local “pay it forward” schemes, paying for drinks, rooms or events now to be redeemed in future.
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Nearly 2,000 pubs, breweries and cider makers are now offering takeaway or delivery services to help keep themselves afloat during the coronavirus lockdown, according to the Campaign for Real Ale.
The industry group has a directory of these initiatives as part of its Pulling Together, campaign where it’s also asking customers to join local “pay it forward” schemes, paying for drinks, rooms or events now to be redeemed in future.
We’ve previously highlighted another initiative too --- Beer Is Here -- which lets you find a local brewery doing takeout and home delivery...CAMRA(@CAMRA_Official)
We're highlighting some pubs & breweries going the extra mile during lockdown #PullingTogether@chestnutgroupUK offer delivery/collection & online Q&As with their chefs! Plus 2 locations have opened as shops to help people access pantry staples.
Chestnut | Crafted Hospitality in East Anglia pic.twitter.com/3GNwQbpKfo
April 15, 2020
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I'm just busting to get to Belgium to replenish my stocks but Belgium is being hit hard 
MyQul
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All the experts I've heard on the radio are saying 1yr - 18months. Perhaps never. Theyre's no guarentee a vaccine will be found apparently
I think you are right they may stagger it and start to slowly reopen it at elast for certain people social distancing will remain. I think Herd immunity will quite possibly always take some form of place..
Although Around me at least and I am sure its the same in a lot of places social distancing in supermarkets is non existant I queue for something in an aisle while someone gets something as soon as they move along some ***** rams me out the way and almost climbs over me to get there first.. people coughing and spluttering on their trolley going the wrong way downteh isles.. That is one of the biggest threats to people getting it, not going for a walk in the park around the block to get some fresh air away from others.
MyQul
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If you think we've got it bad here; from the NYT
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/nyregion/coronavirus-nj-andover-nursing-home-deaths.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/nyregion/coronavirus-nj-andover-nursing-home-deaths.html
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MyQul
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And dont forget all that re-cycled air in supermarkets.
Jesus , that is really grim reading
TY for the Beer is here link... however the only one in reasonable distance is pretty much sold out of anything I'd want to buy.
MyQul
Chairman of the Bored
Jesus , that is really grim reading
Horrible isnt it. I think in a few months time we'll be finding bodies in high rise flats of people who are normally isolated anyway, or who have been self isolating because of the virus
MyQul
Chairman of the Bored
TY for the Beer is here link... however the only one in reasonable distance is pretty much sold out of anything I'd want to buy.
oh no!
MyQul
Chairman of the Bored
Most UK residents are following government guidlines and staying at home. But a few idiots are ignoring the lockdown. Now imagine if those idiots had guns? Behold! Opereration Gridlock
For three decades, Meshawn Maddock and her family have run A-1 Bail Bonds in Milford, Michigan. But just a few days ago, she said she was forced to lay off her last three employees due to courts being shuttered and jails being emptied to blunt the spread of coronavirus in the hard-hit state.
Instead of staying in her house, adhering to Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's stay-at-home orders, Maddock drove 60 miles from her residence to Lansing, the state capital, to join a convoy of motorists Wednesday afternoon protesting the governor's pandemic directive and calling on state leaders to allow small businesses to reopen so employees can get back to work.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/convoy-pr...s-targets-michigans-capital/story?id=70138816
For three decades, Meshawn Maddock and her family have run A-1 Bail Bonds in Milford, Michigan. But just a few days ago, she said she was forced to lay off her last three employees due to courts being shuttered and jails being emptied to blunt the spread of coronavirus in the hard-hit state.
Instead of staying in her house, adhering to Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's stay-at-home orders, Maddock drove 60 miles from her residence to Lansing, the state capital, to join a convoy of motorists Wednesday afternoon protesting the governor's pandemic directive and calling on state leaders to allow small businesses to reopen so employees can get back to work.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/convoy-pr...s-targets-michigans-capital/story?id=70138816
The prediction earlier on 5 live was more depressing than usual, the guy said a vaccine could be 18 months away and as we cannot stay locked down for that long it looks like we will have to get used to living with the virus rather than hiding from it, he suggested that once the first wave of cases and deaths is over and the NHS is no longer under the pressure it is now the NHS should be able to manage the numbers of new cases, a grim 10 minutes listening today.
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I think lockdown will end around June time, SE cannot claim anything until then.
Girffriend has been so royally done over by these restrictions she is destitute cannot work at all has a small child to look after and nursery are still demanding she pays £500 per month despite them not having her son.. we are contemplating moving in either here or there so this will enable her to work if it goes on any longer.
Girffriend has been so royally done over by these restrictions she is destitute cannot work at all has a small child to look after and nursery are still demanding she pays £500 per month despite them not having her son.. we are contemplating moving in either here or there so this will enable her to work if it goes on any longer.
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With regards to your point on one to one care, and possibly one of the reasons the nightingale hospital isnt already filling up is that trusts have massively increased their ITU bed capacity, they have done this by converting existing areas into makeshift ITUs and pulling staff from all over the hospital who may be able to assist. So now it isnt a case of one to one care from an ITU nurse it's more a case of a ITU nurse having a team to look after 2-4 patients made up of general ward nurses and anaesthetic trained theatre staff. It's not ideal but it is better than nothing. And for someone who is a frontline worker I am glad the nightingale hospitals are there, and I'm glad they remain empty, if they are full it means we are completely overwhelmed, if they arent there we have no back up plan. The patients being sent into nursing homes I really dont know, I can understand that these patients may not be for resuscitation but sending them into a home with lots of other vulnerable people is really irresponsible. The problem is where do they go? They cant stay in hospital as they will take up beds for patients that may survive.
The UK must keep a "significant level" of social distancing until a vaccine for coronavirus is found, a scientist advising the government has said.
Prof Neil Ferguson told the BBC there was "little leeway" to relax measures without "something... in their place" - such as testing and contact tracing.
'Not back to normal'
Speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Prof Ferguson, of Imperial College London, said easing the lockdown after another three weeks would depend on "how quickly case numbers go down".
He said that required "a single-minded emphasis" in government and the health system on "scaling up testing and putting in place the ability to track down cases in the community and contact trace".
Contact tracing aims to identify and alert people who have come into contact with a person infected with the virus.
The government has announced plans for a contact-tracing app, but experts say 80% of smartphone owners must sign up for it to halt the outbreak.
Without scaled-up testing and contact tracing, Prof Ferguson said estimates showed "we have relatively little leeway".
The UK now has the capacity to carry out 35,000 tests for coronavirus a day, Downing Street said, although latest figures showed that fewer than half that number were carried out.
The prime minister's official spokesperson said this was due to a "lack of demand, not a lack of capacity" and the government was expanding eligibility.
On relaxing the current restrictions, Prof Ferguson said: "What we really need is the ability to put something in their place. If we want to open schools, let people get back to work, then we need to keep transmission down in another manner.
"And I should say, it's not going to be going back to normal. We will have to maintain some level of social distancing, a significant level of social distancing, probably indefinitely until we have a vaccine available."
BBC health correspondent James Gallagher said if a vaccine were to be found, it was not expected that manufacturers would be able to mass produce it until the second half of 2021.
"Remember, there are four coronaviruses that already circulate in human beings. They cause the common cold, and we don't have vaccines for any of them," he said.
Full article - Social distancing needed 'until vaccine found'
Prof Neil Ferguson told the BBC there was "little leeway" to relax measures without "something... in their place" - such as testing and contact tracing.
'Not back to normal'
Speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Prof Ferguson, of Imperial College London, said easing the lockdown after another three weeks would depend on "how quickly case numbers go down".
He said that required "a single-minded emphasis" in government and the health system on "scaling up testing and putting in place the ability to track down cases in the community and contact trace".
Contact tracing aims to identify and alert people who have come into contact with a person infected with the virus.
The government has announced plans for a contact-tracing app, but experts say 80% of smartphone owners must sign up for it to halt the outbreak.
Without scaled-up testing and contact tracing, Prof Ferguson said estimates showed "we have relatively little leeway".
The UK now has the capacity to carry out 35,000 tests for coronavirus a day, Downing Street said, although latest figures showed that fewer than half that number were carried out.
The prime minister's official spokesperson said this was due to a "lack of demand, not a lack of capacity" and the government was expanding eligibility.
On relaxing the current restrictions, Prof Ferguson said: "What we really need is the ability to put something in their place. If we want to open schools, let people get back to work, then we need to keep transmission down in another manner.
"And I should say, it's not going to be going back to normal. We will have to maintain some level of social distancing, a significant level of social distancing, probably indefinitely until we have a vaccine available."
BBC health correspondent James Gallagher said if a vaccine were to be found, it was not expected that manufacturers would be able to mass produce it until the second half of 2021.
"Remember, there are four coronaviruses that already circulate in human beings. They cause the common cold, and we don't have vaccines for any of them," he said.
Full article - Social distancing needed 'until vaccine found'
More than nine in 10 people dying with coronavirus have an underlying health condition, figures from the Office for National Statistics show.
The ONS looked at nearly 4,000 deaths during March in England and Wales where coronavirus was mentioned on the death certificate.
In 91% of cases the individuals had other health problems.
The most common was heart disease, followed by dementia and respiratory illness.
On average, people dying also had roughly three other health conditions.
It comes amid signs the coronavirus outbreak is deterring people from going to A&E.
The number of people attending major units has nearly halved since the virus first emerged in the UK.
What else does the ONS analysis say?
The ONS has also looked at the differences in death rates by age and ***.
Men are twice as likely to die with coronavirus.
Unsurprisingly, the risk of dying increases with age, rising sharply from age 60 onwards.
Read in full - Nine in 10 dying with virus have existing illness
The ONS looked at nearly 4,000 deaths during March in England and Wales where coronavirus was mentioned on the death certificate.
In 91% of cases the individuals had other health problems.
The most common was heart disease, followed by dementia and respiratory illness.
On average, people dying also had roughly three other health conditions.
It comes amid signs the coronavirus outbreak is deterring people from going to A&E.
The number of people attending major units has nearly halved since the virus first emerged in the UK.
What else does the ONS analysis say?
The ONS has also looked at the differences in death rates by age and ***.
Men are twice as likely to die with coronavirus.
Unsurprisingly, the risk of dying increases with age, rising sharply from age 60 onwards.
Read in full - Nine in 10 dying with virus have existing illness
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I would contest that. We had a similar issue with nursery and took advice. Has the nursery couldn't fulfil the contract then the contract is breached so you don't have to pay.
Coronavirus: 'Disproportionate impact on Black, Asian and minority ethnic groups.
A council boss has urged the government to reveal how it is monitoring the rate of BAME coronavirus infections after two Filipino hospital porters died.
Oxford City Council deputy leader Linda Smith wrote to Health Secretary Matt Hancock about the "disproportionate" impact on BAME communities.
Oscar King Jr and Elbert Rico were two "popular and hard-working men", Oxford's John Radcliffe Hospital said.
Ms Smith said she was also concerned about protective equipment supplies.
However she said the "disproportionate ratio" of BAME communities being affected by Covid-19 was "particularly apparent amongst NHS staff and care-givers who have lost their lives".
The Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre (ICNARC) found last week that 34% of critically ill coronavirus patients in England, Wales and Northern Ireland were from black or minority ethnic backgrounds.
According to the 2011 Census, just 14% of the UK population is from those backgrounds.
Ms Smith wrote: "We would like some reassurance about what urgent monitoring is being conducted into why this is happening [and] what is being done to ensure the protection of all citizens but particularly any who are especially vulnerable, for instance through their frontline work with patients infected with Covid-19."
Ms Smith also said residents had raised concerns that supplies of PPE "may not be sufficient" to "those working in social care, primary care, as well as non-clinical and outsourced staff in hospitals".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-52292569
A council boss has urged the government to reveal how it is monitoring the rate of BAME coronavirus infections after two Filipino hospital porters died.
Oxford City Council deputy leader Linda Smith wrote to Health Secretary Matt Hancock about the "disproportionate" impact on BAME communities.
Oscar King Jr and Elbert Rico were two "popular and hard-working men", Oxford's John Radcliffe Hospital said.
Ms Smith said she was also concerned about protective equipment supplies.
However she said the "disproportionate ratio" of BAME communities being affected by Covid-19 was "particularly apparent amongst NHS staff and care-givers who have lost their lives".
The Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre (ICNARC) found last week that 34% of critically ill coronavirus patients in England, Wales and Northern Ireland were from black or minority ethnic backgrounds.
According to the 2011 Census, just 14% of the UK population is from those backgrounds.
Ms Smith wrote: "We would like some reassurance about what urgent monitoring is being conducted into why this is happening [and] what is being done to ensure the protection of all citizens but particularly any who are especially vulnerable, for instance through their frontline work with patients infected with Covid-19."
Ms Smith also said residents had raised concerns that supplies of PPE "may not be sufficient" to "those working in social care, primary care, as well as non-clinical and outsourced staff in hospitals".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-52292569
Raab: Mixed and inconsistent evidence
Dominic Raab says there have been indications that social distancing measures in place are showing success.
But government advisers say the evidence is "mixed and inconsistent", and in some settings infections are increasing.
He adds: "We still don't have infection rates down as much as we need to.
"Any change to social distancing measures now would risk significant increase in infections," he says, as well as a second peak and an increase in the number of deaths.
As a result, the government will keep the current measures in place for three more weeks.
Raab: Five points to influence decisions on social distancing
Dominic Raab says he wants to be "up front with British people" about when the government can relax measures.
He lists five points that will influence the government's decision:
The foreign secretary says he understands people have been comparing the UK's actions with other countries, but the government will "make decisions at the right time" for us.
He continues: "I appreciate the impact is considerable on people and businesses across the country.
"We get it, we know it is rough going. Every time I come to this lectern and read out the grim toll, I walk away and think of their sons and daughters going through this right now, their brothers, sisters, grandchildren, all those left behind.
"It makes this government focus even harder on what we must do and I know together, united, we must keep up this national effort."
Dominic Raab says there have been indications that social distancing measures in place are showing success.
But government advisers say the evidence is "mixed and inconsistent", and in some settings infections are increasing.
He adds: "We still don't have infection rates down as much as we need to.
"Any change to social distancing measures now would risk significant increase in infections," he says, as well as a second peak and an increase in the number of deaths.
As a result, the government will keep the current measures in place for three more weeks.
Raab: Five points to influence decisions on social distancing
Dominic Raab says he wants to be "up front with British people" about when the government can relax measures.
He lists five points that will influence the government's decision:
- Making sure the NHS can cope
- Evidence showing a sustained and consistent fall in daily death rates
- Reliable data showing the rate of infection is decreasing to manageable levels
- Being confident in the range of operational challenges, like ensuring testing and the right amount of PPE, are in hand
- Being confident any adjustments will not risk a second peak
The foreign secretary says he understands people have been comparing the UK's actions with other countries, but the government will "make decisions at the right time" for us.
He continues: "I appreciate the impact is considerable on people and businesses across the country.
"We get it, we know it is rough going. Every time I come to this lectern and read out the grim toll, I walk away and think of their sons and daughters going through this right now, their brothers, sisters, grandchildren, all those left behind.
"It makes this government focus even harder on what we must do and I know together, united, we must keep up this national effort."
