Surely we can find this ruddy 'plane?

[calumscott]

http://www.tomnod.com/

The idea is simple. If you've ever found yourself engrossed in a "Where's Wally?" book you'll find yourself very quickly addicted.

They have all the recent satellite imagery from the possible places where MH370 could be. they drop you on the globe somewhere and you just start scanning for anything interesting...

If the clever buggers can't find it, brute force and sheer numbers should! :thumb:

 

[Will12283]

That's if it's to be found. Apparently mobiles are still working and that insinuates that the plane did not crash.

 

[calumscott]

That's if it's to be found. Apparently mobiles are still working and that insinuates that the plane did not crash.

Apparently not.

They were still ringable after the time of the last contact with the plane but were not ringable the following day.

Indeed if the thing had gone down on land with a low fuel load they would potentially be still ringable. The fact that they couldn't be rung the next day suggests either a watery end or a high fuel load dry land impact - but that would be pretty noticeable...

 

[Will12283]

Then again why were the mobiles switched on?? I have always had mine switched off or on airplane mode

 

[calumscott]

Then again why were the mobiles switched on?? I have always had mine switched off or on airplane mode

It does rather cast a doubt on the relatives' testimony, doesn't it...?

 

[calumscott]

I think I found a boat... :lol:

 

[alanywiseman.]

I jokingly said to my wife the other night that maybe it was hijacked, fuel was dumped to make it look like a crash as the plane was then flown at low alttidude to be used later. At the time I thought it was utter ***** and noone would do that but it is maybe looking like a possibe reason to waht happened.

 

[Jeltz]

I thought that if the mobiles were ringable then their position could be triangulated or at least the mast providing signal established.

 

[The Goatreich]

It's kind of odd that anyone with a smartphone theses days pretty much as a geo-location device sitting in their pocket. now with however many hundred locator devices sitting in the passengers' pockets, plus the fact that the plane will be kitted out with ridiculously high tech versions of the same thing....why don't they know where it is?

 

[calumscott]

very plausible theory here: http://mh370lost.tumblr.com

 

[calumscott]

I thought that if the mobiles were ringable then their position could be triangulated or at least the mast providing signal established.

Indeed and you would hope that all mobile carriers will have been asked for their cell site logs covering the search area...

 

[Runwell-Steve]

I can't believe the Mobile Phones did really ring, how did the people ringing them know they were actually ringing rather than it sounded like they were, unless they were answered of course :)

Also how could you land a Boeing 777 within range of a mobile phone mast and no one notice, these things aren't exactly small.

There are a lot of facts not yet being aired in public. We know when the transponder was switched off, but when did the Rolls Royce engines stop transmitting back to Derby. That would pinpoint exactly when the engines stopped working and the data should provide some insight as to how it was flying.

One more thing, South China Sea, not a military hotspot at all. I bet plenty of both eastern and western countries monitor the airspace using conventional radar and satellite imagery and should be able to say exactly what happened to that plane. Nobody is saying anything though. I find it all very strange. Time to bring in James Bond me thinks.

 

[calumscott]

I jokingly said to my wife the other night that maybe it was hijacked, fuel was dumped to make it look like a crash as the plane was then flown at low alttidude to be used later. At the time I thought it was utter ***** and noone would do that but it is maybe looking like a possibe reason to waht happened.

It would be extremely difficult to fly a commercial airliner under radar AIUI. They are really obvious radar targets (so things don't crash into them). The link I posted has a pretty sensible theory. A de-pressurisation event that took out the transmission devices (airliners actively show themselves to radar), renders everyone on board unconscious, autopilot continues to fly the plane at cruising altitude where it is only visible to primary radar.

There is a suggestion which hasn't yet been refuted by Rolls Royce, Boeing or Malaysian Airlines (except only personally to the Malaysian transport minister - yyyyyyyyyeah...) that the engine telemetry data was transmitted for four hours after the last known contact, no slick has been found (as would be with a fuel dump)...

This happened in Greece in the past I think...?

 

[calumscott]

I can't believe the Mobile Phones did really ring, how did the people ringing them know they were actually ringing rather than it sounded like they were, unless they were answered of course :)

You don't get a ring if it's out of range or off... You get an "unavailable" message from a mobile.

Also how could you land a Boeing 777 within range of a mobile phone mast and no one notice, these things aren't exactly small.

You only need line of sight to a mast and unobstructed you'll get a signal many many miles away, whether that's up or across.

There are a lot of facts not yet being aired in public. We know when the transponder was switched off, but when did the Rolls Royce engines stop transmitting back to Derby. That would pinpoint exactly when the engines stopped working and the data should provide some insight as to how it was flying.

Un-refuted rumours put that at four hours after the last known position.

One more thing, South China Sea, not a military hotspot at all. I bet plenty of both eastern and western countries monitor the airspace using conventional radar and satellite imagery and should be able to say exactly what happened to that plane. Nobody is saying anything though. I find it all very strange. Time to bring in James Bond me thinks.

It's the Malaysians that are coordinating the search. Everyone who offers help just has to search where they tell them...

 

[marksa222]

Aliens... tellin' ya

 

[winelight]

There are a lot of facts not yet being aired in public. We know when the transponder was switched off, but when did the Rolls Royce engines stop transmitting back to Derby. That would pinpoint exactly when the engines stopped working and the data should provide some insight as to how it was flying.

Un-refuted rumours put that at four hours after the last known position.

That's the bottom line, really. That there is a refusal to go on record about what time the engines (which transmit at 30-minute intervals via a satellite network) stopped transmitting. Why would anyone refuse to go public with this information? Unless there is something odd about it, for example if it was four hours after take-off rather than the 30 minutes claimed by Malaysian Airlines.

(edit) Just saw this on facebook: "Just spoke to a colleague with links to Rolls-Royce. Both engines on M370 were running for "some time" after the loss of contact and shut down in an orderly fashion. This is not for public consumption. Oops"

 

[Crastney]

have any of you joined Tomnod? (as per initial post)

surely by now someone has found something!

 

[calumscott]

have any of you joined Tomnod? (as per initial post)

surely by now someone has found something!

That depends, I guess, on who's in control of Tomnod and what satellite imagery they're serving...

Just saw this on facebook: "Just spoke to a colleague with links to Rolls-Royce. Both engines on M370 were running for "some time" after the loss of contact and shut down in an orderly fashion. This is not for public consumption. Oops"

And, until anything official is released, that's all the public (and sadly, presumably the relatives) have to go on. Leaks and conjecture...

So spend your lunch hour on Tomnod and do them a small but possibly (you never know!) very important service.

PS. It's bloody addictive!

 

[Crastney]

it is - since 9.47 I've looked at 260 grids - found nothing conclusive, but a couple of white blobs that look a bit 'artificial', or too large to be natural wind blown white surf...?

 

[calumscott]

Amazing how quickly you tune in to what is and isn't interesting isn't it?

I found what I presume to be two boats yesterday.

And one rounded cone shaped thing that I thought I'd best tag...

Nothing else round about it though.