Second FV

[Tricky]

Hi all,

Got my Nelsons revenge on the go last night :thumb: , really looking forward to it. I was close to adding a bit of sugar to give it extra umph as id read that some folks have had low ABV and i like mine at least 4% and up but i decided to make it standard. Gives me a benchmark for when i do it again then.

I'm just wondering whether i should rack it off into a second FV though? My last two brews have had a fair bit of sediment in the bottle. It doesn't bother me to be honest apart from the fact i waste a mouthful of beer with every bottle to try and avoid it going into my nice clear pint

Thanks in advance
Tricky.

 

[PD]

a second Fv will help to get rid off more sediment from your brew and leave less in the bottle.
Its a personal thing whether you think its worth it, I like a clean pint with the least amount of sediment.
It makes the brew a few days longer to get into the bottle, you decide whether you can wait. I'm also thinking that using a 2nd vessel puts back the carbonation time as well ( less yeast in the beer when priming sugar added ? ) but I can't confirm that, its just an impression I get. I don't alter the sugar amount ( still half a cooks tsp per 500ml bottle ) again just leave it a little bit longer.
All in all I think using a 2nd fv adds another 14-16 days on to the time.
Can you wait that extra for a better pint ?

 

[Dieseljockey]

+ 1... I have in the past..but I don't do it now I leave the brew in the first FV that bit longer to clear. It's all down to you.

 

[jonnymorris]

a second Fv will help to get rid off more sediment from your brew and leave less in the bottle.

I respectably disagree. Racking to a second FV will not make any difference to the amount of sediment in the bottle.

I put my FV on a cold concrete floor for 1 week after 2 weeks fermenting to clear and then rack to my bottling bucket to bottle.

The hassle of racking unnecessarily seems, to me, fairly pointless.

 

[Mark-h]

Since I have been racking of to a secondary my beer is noticeably clearer and has less sediment in the bottle. I also put some finings in when I rack it and this helps to. I usually leave it in my secondary for 3 to 5 days and in primary for 2 weeks taking out the krausen ring after a week ( I use a coopers primary). I will then rack it back to coopers to bottle and batch prime.

 

[PD]

a second Fv will help to get rid off more sediment from your brew and leave less in the bottle.

I respectably disagree. Racking to a second FV will not make any difference to the amount of sediment in the bottle.

I put my FV on a cold concrete floor for 1 week after 2 weeks fermenting to clear and then rack to my bottling bucket to bottle.

The hassle of racking unnecessarily seems, to me, fairly pointless.

Leave your brew for 10 days in a fv then bottled it theres barely enough time for the brew to condition,carbonate and then drop its deposit fully
Move it to a 2nd fv and you automatically give the beer more time, therefore more sediment is deposited..
If you leave the brew for the combined time in one fv you will get probably the same amount of deposit thrown as in 2 but the beer will have been sitting on a bed of dead yeast and other detritus for a longer period, Some yeasts will be hanging on to the sides of the vessel and failing to fall to the floor.
Its well known that with a beginner to brewing the most important element usually missing from their brews is patience, its understandable. Racking to a 2nd fv will make the brewer give the beer those few extra days, while allowing him/her to be " doing something "
As I said in my post its up to the brewer to decide what he wishes to do, what he feels comfortable with etc. Its all a matter of choice.
I've found it works for me, others might not.
I also put my brew somewhere cold after its 2nd fv before bottling, then warm again then cold. others just drink. Choice.

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[jonnymorris]

Since I have been racking of to a secondary my beer is noticeably clearer and has less sediment in the bottle. I also put some finings in when I rack it and this helps to.

I think the finings may be primarily responsible for your clear beer.

Racking to a 2nd fv will make the brewer give the beer those few extra days, while allowing him/her to be " doing something "

Not wishing to be controversial or argumentative but, giving the brewer something to do isn't a great argument for racking to a second FV. Whilst there are other reasons for doing so I don't personally agree they are worth the effort. I do agree that patience is key.

I believe commercial brewers remove the wort from the yeast bed because of the volumes and therefore pressures involved though this does not translate to the home brewer.

Each to his own.

 

[PD]

Not wishing to be controversial or argumentative but.....

and I'm not taking it controversialy or argumentativly....

as you and I have said...each to his own....

 

[Tricky]

An educational read gents, thank you :thumb: Always good to get a few points of view.

theres no right or wrong then. My last two brews have been left for 2 weeks in primary and still plenty of sediment, this is the main reason i asked really because from my own experience so far, despite my patience - two weeks in the FV is still giving me a fair bit of sediment in the bottle. Beers are clear though.

This is my fifth brew so i may as well do something different. I'll put it in a secondary and report back on the results.

On a positive note the Nelson's Revenge is bubbling away beutifully. I'd say it started quicker than any others i've done which i'm quite surprised at. A few brewers had slow starts with this one so, so far so good :party:

 

[StrangeBrew]

Takes months for any 'sitting on the yeast' effect to change the taste of the beer. Moving it to a secondary FV only adds risk of infection...

Just leave beer in the original fermenter longer till it clears nicely and keg or bottle.

+1 for Patience

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[Tricky]

Takes months for any 'sitting on the yeast' effect to change the taste of the beer. Moving it to a secondary FV only adds risk of infection...

Just leave beer in the original fermenter longer till it clears nicely and keg or bottle.

+1 for Patience

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How about when you get a brew that still tastes a bit yeasty? The homebrew twang shall we say. Is this a result of the sediment?

 

[jonnymorris]

I think that's more likely down to the freshness or otherwise of your hopped malt extract, i.e. the syrupy wort in your can.

You might also get that if you're not patient and don't allow sufficient time for the yeast to clear up after itself and for the beer to clear.

 

[graysalchemy]

This why I transfere to secondary

Now you don't want your beer sitting in that for any length of time. All that crud dries pretty quick habours airbourne bacteria and drops into the beer :sick:.

I agree though dropping into a secondary won't mean you will get any less sediment that is more to do with how long it is left to settle and your technique for bottling however it will limit how much is available to drop in but if you have crystal clear beer and a good bottling technique you shouldn't get any post fermentation material in the bottle only yeast sediment from priming. :thumb:

 

[StrangeBrew]

How about when you get a brew that still tastes a bit yeasty? The homebrew twang shall we say. Is this a result of the sediment?

Just needs time and that yeastyness will go away....

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[critch]

I believe commercial brewers remove the wort from the yeast bed because of the volumes and therefore pressures involved though this does not translate to the home brewer.

Each to his own.

i dont remove mine from the fv till im casking usually a week after ive pitched the yeast. i can do this due to my chiller jackets on my fv's a couple of days at 4.c drops loads of crap out

ive only used the secondry technique a few times in 20 odd years of ag, its a lot of faff and not worth it imo

but indeed each to his own, if you get 50 brewers in a room, youll get 50 differing techniques and/ or opinions on how to do it!

if it works for you go for it :thumb: