Pint365 beer engine

[Dads_Ale]

At one point I’d tried all of the Maiden beers, but they’ve released another 3 over the last 18 months that I haven’t had a chance to try yet.

You might have to move now as the latest Iron Maiden beer is a collaboration with BrewDog. 6% Hellcat (carbon negative)

 

[RoomWithABrew]

Wouldn't want to see " Public enema number one " on the pump handle that's for sure ( 1990 ).

 

[MickDundee]

You might have to move now as the latest Iron Maiden beer is a collaboration with BrewDog. 6% Hellcat (carbon negative)

The Brewdog Lost Lager is supposed to be carbon negative too, but the free 4 pack I got a couple of months back was delivered inside 2 cardboard boxes.

 

[Dilettante Brewing]

This thread is making me want a Pint365. It is my birthday next month .

I see that you can connect them directly to a pressure barrel. Am I right in thinking that you can do this without having a constant gas supply to the S30 cap to maintain pressure. How quickly does the natural pressure in the barrel dissipate when you pull the pints? What happens when the pressure reduces? Presumably the barrel doesn't implode!! Appreciate you can use bag-in-box / polypins / corny but pressure barrels just seem easier for secondary fermenting ales and keeping them in good nick.

Is the general consensus that with the Pint365 it's designed such that you can get away without a cask breather (i.e. it will take a couple of psi of gas pressure) and a separate demand valve (because it has something built in)?

 

[RoomWithABrew]

A few psi, separate demand valve and the odd squirt of CO2 from the S30 will see you right. When you are near to finishing the barrel then just open it up.
Another option is small bag in box such as for wine refilled and then used in a day or so, similar with small kegs. Logistically at the moment I find the small keg transfer and just leave it open when pulling the pint and close it to the air when not pulling the pint. Working on an idea for a cheap 8 litre " cask " that can be used for real ale and just drunk over a weekend.

 

[peebee]

This thread is making me want a Pint365. It is my birthday next month .

I see that you can connect them directly to a pressure barrel. Am I right in thinking that you can do this without having a constant gas supply to the S30 cap to maintain pressure. How quickly does the natural pressure in the barrel dissipate when you pull the pints? What happens when the pressure reduces? Presumably the barrel doesn't implode!! Appreciate you can use bag-in-box / polypins / corny but pressure barrels just seem easier for secondary fermenting ales and keeping them in good nick.

Is the general consensus that with the Pint365 it's designed such that you can get away without a cask breather (i.e. it will take a couple of psi of gas pressure) and a separate demand valve (because it has something built in)?

You can checkout my "treatise" (linked below) concerning precautions to take with CO2. Corny kegs have the issue that a hand-pump will suck air into the keg via the seals (which cannot handle "negative" pressures) but if using a pressure barrel then as you suspect, a hand-pump will collapse them.

"How quickly does the natural pressure in the barrel dissipate when you pull the pints?". How long is a piece of string! But very quickly if the barrel is full.

"(i.e. it will take a couple of psi of gas pressure)"? All hand-pumps will take 2 PSI (150mbar, the pressure I use for "bitter" types). Some will start creaking and groaning at 5PSI. Some will handle outrageous pressures! I think it's the pump's flapper valves that vibrate if subject to excess pressure? I understand they have a "check-valve"??? Check-valves prevent beer returning to the barrel. Demand valves (which also do the job of a check-valve) prevents beer coming out when you didn't ask for it.

 

[Dilettante Brewing]

Thanks, some useful pointers and a very comprehensive document from @peebee!

 

[365er]

Hello fellow Brewers, this is my first post in the Homebrew Forum. I have quite some experience brewing but I am fairly unexperienced with beer engines. Now I ran into a problem with my Pint365 I was hoping someone here could advise me on:
I have not used the Pint365 for nearly a year. After the last use I flushed it with an oxy based cleaner for about 30 minutes, then with clean water before I pumped it as dry as I could. Now I wanted to bring it back to life and realised a really nasty smell like rotten water coming from the cylinder. Flushing with oxy, citric acid and isopropanol helped reducing the smell but could not remove it entirely. Now I am stripping down the pump for a mechanical cleaning and was wondering how I can open the cylinder - if at all?

 

[Dads_Ale]

I am not familiar with the pint365 but would check the hose from the cylinder to the tap if you can get it off.
Looking at their website I would guess the cylinder is a sealed unit as they sell a replacement unit but not a seal kit. It may well be worth getting in touch with them to see what does actually come apart.

Unfortunately it is difficult to fully dry out hand pumps so you are open to a mould build up or worse over time if they are not used. I don't use mine in the summer but try and run some cleaner and fresh water through it on a monthly basis.

 

[365er]

Good spot! In the hose between the rubber and inserted parts was some brownish built up that smelled undescribeable. I removed that stuff now and gave all parts and the disattached cylinder another go through the chemistry cupboard. The foul smell is gone now but I'll ask Mansons anyway what they recommend. Thanks

 

[stripeyjoe]

You can checkout my "treatise" (linked below)

Hi @peebee I’ve requested permission to view your treatise under the email stripeyjoe at gmail dot com, it’s saying I’m not authorised to view your missives.
just got myself a doer upper Angram CQ…

 

[365er]

I got an instant reply from Masons: the Pint365 cylinder can be disassembled by lifting the white top part which is held in place by an o-ring. I used a large flat head screwdriver to carefully lever it off. Now it is time for a good scrub and Christmas dinner is saved.

 

[peebee]

Hi @peebee I’ve requested permission to view your treatise under the email stripeyjoe at gmail dot com, it’s saying I’m not authorised to view your missives.
just got myself a doer upper Angram CQ…

As no-one else is complaining about downloading the document, I'm not touching it! In case I do break it!

But there is no need to request "permission". Your email address is not important (read access is for anyone). Who are you requesting "permission" from? If Google (who control the systems) I imagine they will ignore you (I hope so!) as potentially phishing. Get in touch with your Internet provider, you may have a more widely impacting problem with access to stuff.

 

[stripeyjoe]

As no-one else is complaining about downloading the document, I'm not touching it! In case I do break it!

Thanks for getting back to me, this is what I see when I click on your signature...

I'll try a different browser first.

 

[YeastFace]

Yes, I get the same request when I click on the link. Wonder if access to the document been set to private or invite-only (possibly by Google, rather than Peebee?)

 

[Moe]

I have also tried to access this document (I’ve got an Angram CQ en route for a Christmas present) and get the same message.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

As no-one else is complaining about downloading the document, I'm not touching it!

@peebee
It looks like there may be a problem as others have also reported difficulties downloading.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I checked the link below and also get this -


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwzEv5tRM-5EQUhZbDNPdmV1bWc/view

 

[peebee]

Hum .... It is all setup alright, seems to be a Google thing? @stripeyjoe: I've added you explicitly (as a viewer) 'cos you gave me your Gmail account name. Anyone else: Logoff you Google account (click your Google avatar and "Sign out"). Tell me how you get on. It was so suspicious I reported @stripeyjoe for suspicious activity (well, someone might of hi-jacked that account!)! But I'm sure @Chippy_Tea has that figured.


[EDIT: if I sign out it starts asking me for an account to sign back in as before it lets me access the document. So this:

... is now a pile of poo!]

[EDIT: And in reaction to @ChilledGecko's post below ... I'm using MS "Edge" , so that sounds likely (I'm always getting messages from Google to install Chrome despite Edge being a customised version of Chrome. Geesh!).]

 

[ChilledGecko]

Downloaded fine for me, I am logged into my google account.

Edit - using Google Chrome if it helps

Edit 2 - works for me in Edge too - I'm on Widows 11 in case it makes a difference (shouldn't I'd guess)