Pasteurised beer in bottles... Nasty..!

[gazzza123]

I never noticed the damage done to good beers in the pasteurising process until I started making my own...

In the last month I have had to bin 3 bottles of beer because I now find them undrinkable... Two of which were St. Austell brewery Tribure & Proper Job. Great beers but when bottled utterly disgusting...

So now I'm searching for unpasteurised beers... Found this one attached... Theakstons Pale Ale... Very nice indeed... Can anyone recommend any others for me to search out?

Please note I don't mean bottle conditioned as that's seems to make very little difference if the beer is still pasteurised first.

Thanks

 

[Sadfield]

Proper Job isn't pasteurised, it's bottled conditioned.

 

[gazzza123]

It is pasteurised I'm afraid... And then bottle conditioned afterwards...

Bottle conditioned does not mean unpasteurised.

 

[Sadfield]

Interesting. Tunnel pasteurisation is normally carried out post packaging. Their website suggests it is filtered and reseeded.

This article suggests they are not pasteurising.

http://www.bruharoo.com/st-austells-korev-craft-lager-new-equipment/

 

[RichardM]

It is pasteurised I'm afraid... And then bottle conditioned afterwards...

Bottle conditioned does not mean unpasteurised.

How do you know it is pasteurised?
I've always liked Proper Job. I suppose you'll be telling me next that Summer Lightening and Ghost Ship are pasteurised as well?

 

[Sandimas]

I don't think Proper Job is pasteurised either, it's one of the few bottled beers I've enjoyed. I've drunk it in St Austell pubs and home brewed it, the commercial bottled version is very close to both. Maybe you just had a bad bottle?

Most of the other real ale bottled beers in supermarkets seem to be pasteurised and are horrible.

 

[gazzza123]

Yes they probably are unless they state otherwise on the bottles...

Most are... Very few don't go through the pasteurisation process...

You can taste it a mile off when you become accustomed to the taste...

 

[gazzza123]

Most bottle conditioned beers are pasteurised to kill the yeast so it can't be knicked by anyone!

Proper job is for sure...

 

[RichardM]

Most bottle conditioned beers are pasteurised to kill the yeast so it can't be knicked by anyone!

Proper job is for sure...

The yeast in Proper Job isn't killed, I've cultured the dregs and made some good beers from the yeast I've grown.
Do you know for a fact that it is pasteurised or is it just your opinion?

 

[gazzza123]

Yes the yeast you've cultured is added after pasteurising for the bottle conditioning process and apparently it's a generic champagne yeast..?

I'm not too knowledgeable on that part of the process if I'm honest but so I'm told this is how they protect it from copy.

 

[ACBEV]

Can anyone recommend any others for me to search out?

Samuel Smiths Organic Pale Ale.... Very nice...

 

[RichardM]

Yes the yeast you've cultured is added after pasteurising for the bottle conditioning process and apparently it's a generic champagne yeast..?

I'm not too knowledgeable on that part of the process if I'm honest but so I'm told this is how they protect it from copy.

is this all something you heard from someone who heard it from someone or do actually know it for a fact?

 

[gazzza123]

I think you'll probably find this is common practice for most bottled beers...

The information is quite easily accessible online...

 

[RichardM]

I think you'll probably find this is common practice for most bottled beers...

The information is quite easily accessible online...

Would you care to point out where I can find it?

 

[gazzza123]

Google! I spent a bit of time looking into it today.

I mean to be honest it's does make sense... And with regards to knowing which are pasteurised and which are not you only need to taste them to know...

But please if anyone does find non-pasteurised beers on sale please let me know... I'm well pleased with today's find but I'm sure there will be others out there...

 

[Leon103]

I love it when people say they have read something online and when asked for a link they say Google it.
If we both googled the same words doesn't mean we get the same set of links, unless we trawl through pages of results.

But back to the thread. I have contacted a number of breweries who bottle condition asking which yeast it is to see if it's worth culturing up and I have never been told it was a champagne yeast. Us05 seems to be the most common.

 

[RichardM]

Google! I spent a bit of time looking into it today.

I mean to be honest it's does make sense... And with regards to knowing which are pasteurised and which are not you only need to taste them to know...

But please if anyone does find non-pasteurised beers on sale please let me know... I'm well pleased with today's find but I'm sure there will be others out there...

So it's just your opinion because you don't like Proper Job from a bottle

 

[gazzza123]

Well this is proving hard work hey!

Let's go back to the beginning... It's pasteurising that I have a problem with... Not proper job!

This thread will give a little more info if you're interested:

https://www.beeradvocate.com/commun...le-conditioned-or-are-the-2-different.278712/

However like I say this is pretty common knowledge... I'm not arguing about whether or not the beer is pasteurised... I'm simply trying to find other beers that specifically are not!!!

 

[Sadfield]

Yes the yeast you've cultured is added after pasteurising for the bottle conditioning process and apparently it's a generic champagne yeast..?

I'm not too knowledgeable on that part of the process if I'm honest but so I'm told this is how they protect it from copy.

Some useful info on the methods of pasteurisation in this link. Obviously, if a bottle contains live yeast that rules out the use of tunnel pasteurisation.

https://www.smartmachine.com/why-use-a-tunnel-pasteurizer-for-beer/

However filtration can also be used to do the job, even to sterile levels with the correct micron filter.

https://www.morebeer.com/articles/clarifying_beer

 

[ElvisIsBeer]

struggling to comprehend chucking beer down the drain.....I just wouldn't buy it again :hat: