no1 this Christmas

[Rodcx500z]

 

[Agentgonzo]

Why is it acceptable for young people to freeze, but not acceptable for old people to freeze?

 

[Rodcx500z]

Why is it acceptable for young people to freeze, but not acceptable for old people to freeze?

Words fail me

 

[Appleton Brews]

I am 72 and my wife is 71 we do not need the winter fuel allowance and I’m sure there are many many more like us. With all the data that the government has on income and tax why can’t it just be paid to those below a threshold? State pensions in this country are a disgrace and one of the lowest in Europe if that was sorted to be the same as France or Germany then we wouldn’t need Winter Fuel Allowance.

 

[Rodcx500z]

I am 72 and my wife is 71 we do not need the winter fuel allowance and I’m sure there are many many more like us. With all the data that the government has on income and tax why can’t it just be paid to those below a threshold? State pensions in this country are a disgrace and one of the lowest in Europe if that was sorted to be the same as France or Germany then we wouldn’t need Winter Fuel Allowance.

I am 71 and don't need it, i agree with you give it to those who do, i know some who are a couple of quid over the threshold and have lost it, so unfair

 

[Agentgonzo]

Words fail me

Me too

 

[Agentgonzo]

With all the data that the government has on income and tax why can’t it just be paid to those below a threshold?

Isn't that what's happening? It's means tested, So those below a given threshold still receive it?

 

[Rodcx500z]

I think you need to read this then ask yourself is this right. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=h...QABiABBgKmAMAkgcEMjUuM6AHoOoB&sclient=gws-wiz the 6th richest nation on earth just did this

 

[old dog new tricks]

Its a shame the line Reeves is fraud is in there, as all the other lyrics are factual and would probably withstand any challenge.

I would love see this as the Christmas number one with the farmers on the B side haha then a cover note with the every growing petition.

 

[The Baron]

The threshold should be set in line with the living wage which is approx £24K when it rises in a few months this would remove the better off pensioners from receiving it and makes sure the really poorest who are too proud to apply for pension credit and also gives a safety net for the ones who just miss out of pension credit but are in need of some help.
some people believe the pensioners are rich because they have received 2 reasonable rises but prior to that they have had years where they were well below the amounts others were getting infact if you look at the last 25 years they had 3 years with no rise at all and that is why thew triple lock was brought in because they had fallen so far behind.
Still not as much as the train drivers rise, maybe the pensioners should start a union then Labour may recognise them and award even bigger rises

 

[Agentgonzo]

They could have done a better job of choosing people for the video. It's a bit odd to chose to make a video about freezing pensioners featuring (quite a few!) shots of pensioners in short-sleeves.

 

[old dog new tricks]

The threshold should be set in line with the living wage which is approx £24K when it rises in a few months this would remove the better off pensioners from receiving it and makes sure the really poorest who are too proud to apply for pension credit and also gives a safety net for the ones who just miss out of pension credit but are in need of some help.
some people believe the pensioners are rich because they have received 2 reasonable rises but prior to that they have had years where they were well below the amounts others were getting infact if you look at the last 25 years they had 3 years with no rise at all and that is why thew triple lock was brought in because they had fallen so far behind.
Still not as much as the train drivers rise, maybe the pensioners should start a union then Labour may recognise them and award even bigger rises

Totally agree with the minimum wage concept, but needs to go further or be worked out in true terms ie all other benefits or reduction should be taking into account and calculated as the cut off point. so take the current maximum amount that includes pension credit
£218.15 per week if you're single
£332.95 per week if you're a couple.
ADD to that

• Cold Weather Payment - £25 a week for each 7-day period – or forecasted 7-day period – of cold weather. This only applies between 1 November and 31 March each year.
• TV License Concession - £169.50
• Council Tax Reduction - varies need to apply a UK average for pensioners
• Housing Benefit - varies need to apply UK average for pensioners
• Warm Home Discount £150
• Winter Fuel Payment - <80 £200, >80 £300
• Public Transport Concessions - varies need to apply a UK average for pensioners
• Eye care and Dental Care Concessions - varies need to apply a UK average for pensioners
• Phone/Broadband/Utilities Discounts - varies need to apply a UK average for pensioners

Add all this together and that should be the true threshold level and anyone below this should get the payment as that is an accurate assessment, the current system is a blunt tool and has the crazy situation where a penny over threshold actually ends up costing you potentially thousands., and those who have paid into a both NI and a pension all their lives are left worse off than those who have not. Its just plain crazy

 

[The Baron]

They could have done a better job of choosing people for the video. It's a bit odd to chose to make a video about freezing pensioners featuring (quite a few!) shots of pensioners in short-sleeves.
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He's the one who had the heating on and his children where helping him out rather than he froze to death.
Hmm what were the Labour figures on pensioner deaths when they were not in government???

 

[Chippy_Tea]

They could have done a better job of choosing people for the video. It's a bit odd to chose to make a video about freezing pensioners featuring (quite a few!) shots of pensioners in short-sleeves.
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Maybe it was taken in the warmer months when the announcement was made and its showing the guy worrying about losing the money.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

The threshold should be set in line with the living wage which is approx £24K when it rises in a few months this would remove the better off pensioners from receiving it and makes sure the really poorest who are too proud to apply for pension credit and also gives a safety net for the ones who just miss out of pension credit but are in need of some help

Spot on TB.

 

[Rodcx500z]

No matter how it's dressed up you would never in a million years would you expect this in 2024 in the 6th richest country in the world, if they will do this to the old, sick, and less well off i fear for the fit and healthy, it's all about control a dictatorship.

 

[pilgrimhudd]

Interesting to see say in April if there has been a difference in mortality rate. My guess would be that it will be negligible.

 

[old dog new tricks]

Interesting to see say in April if there has been a difference in mortality rate. My guess would be that it will be negligible.

do it on debt figures and debts to energy companies as well them if you want to see the true figures

 

[Rodcx500z]

Interesting to see say in April if there has been a difference in mortality rate. My guess would be that it will be negligible.

Sounds like the line in star trek the voyage home, my best guess captain, your best guess Spock

 

[pilgrimhudd]

do it on debt figures and debts to energy companies as well them if you want to see the true figures

That would be an accurate figure of the impact, however what we're all raving about is the idea that we will be finding granny frozen like an ice cube in front of the snooker.