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Templar

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Hi guys,

My first brew - a Coopers Wheat kit - has been in FV for the last 6 days. Me and the friends I'm brewing with are planning to wait another 6 or 7 days before bottling it, and starting our second and third brews. I have a few questions however, and was hoping some of you may be able to answer.

1) Carbonation drops vs sugar cubes vs standard table sugar. We're brewing partially to save money, so spending three times as much money on carbonation drops seems daft. Are sugar cubes good enough? I assume they are more consistent than spoons of sugar, but is this consistency really necessary? I've collected 50 or so bottles from friendly pubs and I'd rather they didn't explode! Any downsides to using normal sugar in terms of taste?

2) Our plan for kit number 2 is a Coopers European Lager. Problem is we don't have a temperature regulator, so our brew temp fluctuates a little. How vital is the lower fermenting temp for a lager? I was planning to stick the FV in a tray of water and draping an old towel or blanket over it to cool it down if we need to cool it (Our first brew started off at 25c, and gradually dropped to 15c as Britain decided it wasn't time for summer yet, so it might be cold enough anyway). Also, we are planning on putting the lager into my Dad's old pressure barrel (suitably sanitized), but that leaves us with nowhere to put it at 2c or so to condition, as it won't fit in the fridge with stuff like, say, food. What would happen if we conditioned it warmer than that, say 8 - 10c in the garage? How long will it keep in a barrel? I believe there are issues with moving barrels and stirring up all the sediment - the idea is to use the barrel at a summer barbecue, so I assume I'd have to move it to it's spot a few days before to let it settle again?

3) The third brew - if Idiot the Third starts answering his phone and decides exactly which one he wants - is likely to be a Belgian beer. Is there anything special to know about brewing Belgians? It'll be a kit again, as we don't have the time/equipment/skills/knowledge to do anything not already reasonably idiot-proofed. Are any particularly good/bad? We're using the Bigger Jugs website to source kit, as my mate lives 10 minutes away and we can save on delivery.

I know it's a whole load of questions, sorry if it's too many. I don't really have one to ask about this but my Dad, and he hasn't brewed in 20 years, and even then all he brewed was the Boots bitter kit (Which he thought was brilliant). I'd rather not waste 5 kits to experiment while trying to brew beer to save money!!

Thanks all.
 
Hi.
Ask away that's what this forum is for, if folks can help they will.

Priming sugars are used in so little quantity they do not add anything to the taste or color of a brew, all thats needed is a sugar for the yeasts in the bottle to eat and make gas to give you some fizz, the alcohol they produce is also not worth worrying about.
So use straight forward household granulated sugar ( pinch it from your mom's kitchen so its even cheaper ! :D )
If you go to a shop like The Range you can pick up a set of cooks measuring spoons for £1 use the half teaspoon size to measure out your sugar for each bottle then you will get consistency with the amounts.
one level half teaspoon measure is fine for normal ales and beers.

Coopers lager kits use a beer yeast so can be made just like any other kit you make, without worrying about having unltra low lagering temps.
They are best described as lager likes.

Not made a Belgian yet so I can't comment, no doubt others have and will post soon.

Welcome to home brewing
 
piddledribble said:
Not made a Belgian yet so I can't comment, no doubt others have and will post soon.
The Brewferm kits are mostly (if not all?) Beligain style and are very good.

p.s. batch priming is far easier and will give you more consistent results.
 
I'm not an experienced brewer and am always asking questions myself but for what it's worth- carbonation drops are not well received by most and sugar cubes can be a nightmare to dissolve in the bottle so i'd stick to normal household sugar as others have said. As for the european lager i haven't made one but i got this from another site:-

Coopers yeast:

Original Series:- Ac (26807)

International Series:-
Australian Pale Ale - Ac+L (26807 Int)
Mexican Cerveza - Ac+L (26807 Int)
European Lager - L (26807 P) Rumoured to be Saflager
Canadian Blonde - Ac (26807)
English Bitter - Ac (26807)

Brewmaster Selection:-
Wheat - A (26807 W)
IPA - Ac (26807 IPA)
Irish Stout - A (26807 IS)
Pilsener - L (26807 P) Rumoured to be Saflager

Premium Selection:- Ac+L (26807 PS)

Note: Ac = Coopers ale yeast, A = ale yeast and L = lager yeast

So i would say it would definitely benefit from colder temps if it's a lager yeast. Belgian beers again i haven't made one but i hear quite good things about the brewferm kits especially the grand cru which is the one i hope to make soon apparently it's on par with the leffe blond beer. Hope this helps in some way. :cheers:
 
Also after fermenting for 2 weeks, move to the cold for another week to start to settle / clear. It will then be a lot clearer (and sometimes completely clear) when you bottle, so you get a lot less crud in the bottle. Not essential, but helps.

Then, the bottles in the warm for 2 weeks to carbonate, and then in the cold for min. 2 weeks to mature.
 
Templar said:
3) The third brew - if Idiot the Third starts answering his phone and decides exactly which one he wants - is likely to be a Belgian beer. Is there anything special to know about brewing Belgians? It'll be a kit again, as we don't have the time/equipment/skills/knowledge to do anything not already reasonably idiot-proofed. Are any particularly good/bad? We're using the Bigger Jugs website to source kit, as my mate lives 10 minutes away and we can save on delivery.
I've recently started concentrating my all grain efforts on Belgian and Trappist brews so may be able to help out here. As jonnymorris said, the Brewferm kits are a good place to start as they produce some good quality Belgian-style ale with minimum fuss. There are a few things that you could do if you get one of these kits and you want a bit of variety.
The first is to swap the sugar in the recipe for candi sugar (inverted sugar). There's a very helpful guide on the site here.
Second, most of the distinctive flavours of Belgian beers come from the dedicated yeasts that the breweries use. Disregard the dried yeast in the kit and buy the best you can! Both Whitelabs and Wyeast do a great range of Belgian liquid yeasts. They aren't as cheap as dry yeasts but they give superb results and can be re-used with a bit of care.
Finally, leave them a LONG time. Strong beers like these should really be put away for 6 months before drinking if you want to get the most flavour out of them. Annoying but worth it.
 
Good replies folks and I stand corrected re the yeast.
 
Templar said:
I don't really have one to ask about this but my Dad, and he hasn't brewed in 20 years, and even then all he brewed was the Boots bitter kit (Which he thought was brilliant).

Given the above I think you have come to the right place. ;)
 
You may struggle to get your lager fizzy enough in a pressure barrel as they don't hold pressure too well! They are great for ales but I'd recommend bottling your lager.
 
rpt said:
You may struggle to get your lager fizzy enough in a pressure barrel as they don't hold pressure too well! They are great for ales but I'd recommend bottling your lager.

That's why I moved to bottling many years ago, simply to get the lager to be drinkable.
 
Great replies from everyone - thanks very much.

With regards to the Belgian beer, I was thinking of swapping the sugar but I don't think I can access the Candi sugar from my local shop. It is a little limited and the only options are Young brewing sugar and Muntons beer enhancer. Would another sugar do? SWMBO works in a posh coffee shop on Portobello and can get fancy brown Cuban organic sugar for, like, £1 per kilo. Would that work, just with a slightly different flavour? What about Demerera, which I believe is more used in stouts and the like.

I was worried about the barrel not being good for Lager. Guess I'll be on the trawl for more bottles then! If you do use a barrel, how long does it last once you start drinking it? (I don't mean "How quick can you drink it all" either!! ;) )
 
I don't think there's any limit? I mean, you're likely to drink it well before it goes off. I've never had a problem.

If you have somewhere cool/cold to keep the keg, the beer will be that much nicer (you get two benefits from bottling, fizzier and colder, so if you do barrel, then anything you can do to help on either count is good).
 
I can't make a barrel particularly cold, which is a problem. Might have to do a bitter for it, keep it through winter. That way my mate's garage/shed will be colder. Hmmm...


Cheers!
 
@Templar,
If you look closely at WelshPaul's post you will find that there is an active link embedded which if clicked will take you to a thread on this site on how to make your own Candi Sugar.
 
Note to self: read messages properly.

What real difference does the Candi sugar make? Apart from the colour? For someone who will be using kits for a while it seems like an awful lot of effort to go to to make your beer look prettier!!
 

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