New nanobrewery coming along

[Druncan]

Cheers! It was a bit easier for us, in one way. We'r on a septic tank. But I have to pre-treat all liquid waste to PH balance and will be looking for the most env friendly sanitizers to miminise any contaminants. I have a 50l BIABasket system and I love it! Not sure on my 200l upgrade pot dimensions yet as it is early days for me. This looks interestingb, but USA,,, http://arborfab.com/BIABasket_c_24.html and this with a collar;
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/forum/attachments/img_0042-jpg.416095/

 

[simon12]

Portreath

Yep building a carcase out of 4x2 and infilling with kingspan insulation board (which my builder friends have sourced for me!)
Have a 5 foot bar heater (Christmas pressy) to heat (18oc) controlled by an inkbird controller (another pressy). I am building the cooler adjacent to the fermention chamber which will be cooled (13oc) by a refurbished undercounter fridge (will take door off and build it into the structure). this will be controlled by another inkbird controller.
My plan is to have inline fans between the two chambers so that if the fermentation chamber gets too hot the fan will click on and draw air from the cooler and visa versa - do you all think this will work?
Was hoping with the above system that I only have to have one heat source and one cool source - only problem is if one breaks!
The fermentation chamber will hold 14 x 30 litre buckets and the cooler is roof height so should be able to get 16+ casks in it.
Looking at building so that I can change to 121 litre brute buckets on casters (can get 8 of them in) to give me flexibility if my venture is successful.

any advise is welcome please

Sorry turns out that isn't what Godstone brewery do, what I was going to say before I though they did this was that keeping 30l fermenters in a temp controlled room works fine but larger vessels (lower surface area to volume) get hotter from the fermentation and the room would have to be cooled right down possibly below 0 to keep them cool enough them turned up at exactly the right time when fermentation gets softer. So I would advise getting temperature controlled fermenters.

 

[Trom-man76]

Druncan
200 litre pot £222.50 from brewbuilder.co.uk

25 gallon pot homebrewwing.org $199plus $134 transport = £254 but comes with tap and site glass. Also do baskets

 

[Druncan]

Cheers, I've also asked Mark (Mr Lard) @ brewbuilder for a price for a basket to fit the 200l,,, Just out of interest of course. It's his TC tanks I like; https://www.brewbuilder.co.uk/tc-tanks.html. My 50l pot has TC's and they work great. The 200has 5 Triclamp ferrules for fitting heating elements, taps etc

 

[Druncan]

Just found this Colorado brewing systems. https://www.cobrewingsystems.com/co...rewing-system-100-200-and-300-gallon-versions

I suspect (in my novice brewing innocence) that they may use the whirlpool effect of the Vorlauf to prevent stuck mash? as their BIABasket base seems to be a 400u (?) mesh base. The Camurri seems to use paddles to keep the mash mobile and doesn't recirculate like the Speidel.

I have contacted Powell brew about a 100l pot with 3 x 40mm holes around the base using their mesh screen in the pot raised to 60mm to allow 2 x 2,400w immersion heaters with TC 1.5" bulkheads. I will run this and can then be a next step to a Brewbuilder 200l TC pot system and I have a 100l BIABasket to fit. My lovely puppy 50l current BIAB will be my induction whirlpool/Vorlauf?

Comments/views welcome!!

 

[Druncan]

BIABaskd
Well I have gone and ordered the next stage!
One 100l 3 way Holypot and mesh. Only got one 2.4kw TC fitted element, but my buff 3kw induction and 50l pot is there for boost.

 

[Trom-man76]

Hi all,

Right - here's a question! What is the average price you would charge to a local pub for a 9 gallon cask?

I know the answer will be as much as you can get or the publican will pay. Just trying to get an idea in my head. Sitting down and working through all my overheads and costs and if it's going to pay for one holiday or two a year.

Thanks for your help/advice

 

[simon12]

I am on the Kent Surrey Sussex border and I pay lowest £65 for a sub 4% beer (though have paid £78 for a 3.4%) and up to £90 for a 5.5%+ IPA

 

[Hoddy]

Hi all,

Right - here's a question! What is the average price you would charge to a local pub for a 9 gallon cask?

I know the answer will be as much as you can get or the publican will pay. Just trying to get an idea in my head. Sitting down and working through all my overheads and costs and if it's going to pay for one holiday or two a year.

Thanks for your help/advice

You will be looking at between £55 - £65 per 9 gallon cask ex VAT. Depends on what kind of establishment that you will be selling into. Bear in mind that you will be up against larger/macro cask producers who are selling their casks at around £45 per 9 gallon cask ex VAT so yours had better be really good to be worth it to them.

And don't expect holidays, you wont have the time or the money for holidays.

 

[simon12]

You will be looking at between £55 - £65 per 9 gallon cask ex VAT. Depends on what kind of establishment that you will be selling into. Bear in mind that you will be up against larger/macro cask producers who are selling their casks at around £45 per 9 gallon cask ex VAT so yours had better be really good to be worth it to them.

And don't expect holidays, you wont have the time or the money for holidays.

Wow, I have only seen a few beers for sale below £65 the cheapest was about 50 and was an obscure brand from a distributor. Most of the brewery's I order from are 10bbl ish based in Surrey Sussex or Kent and an average 4-4.5% firkin is around £75-80. I recently got a price list from pilgrim brewery in reigate and they wanted £95 for there cheapest cask but on that they won't be getting an order.

 

[the_quick]

I don't know if it is only in East Sussex, but I have similar experience as @simon12 , I think Harveys sell theirs more near to £100 per cask

 

[Hoddy]

Wow thats some money for a cask!!!!

 

[stz]

Between £65 and £120 depending on strength and style. Vast majority are £75-85. The old rule of thumb for what it is worth was 10 * abv + £20 for extremely twiggy beer and + £30 for something a bit more interesting. Add on as much as you think you can get away with if it is something exceptional.

That said you REALLY should cost everything fully and completely per brew, split it across your take off and know exactly what margin you need to stay in business. Generally it works out similar to the old rule of

Also like the saying that you shouldn't charge too little for your beer, but if it works out to be expensive you might have to work harder to sell it.

 

[Druncan]

What happened to @Trom-man76 and his brewery?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Last log in October 11.

 

[Trom-man76]

Hi all I am still here! Just bloody busy!

Just had my visit from HMRC to get my AWRS on 13th Jan (went reall well) so should know end of this week. Got permission to brew the beer from 1st Dec.
Council want to come and look round for food safety after I have been in production for two to three weeks so got that to look forward too!
For anyone thinking of doing this it is a load of paperwork but I can see light at the end of the tunnel.
Got three pubs very interested in selling my beer and because we are very remote and my delivery costs are nothing I am very competitive with price.
Fingers crossed should start selling 1st march as am going to visit my brother in Indian last middle two weeks of Feb.
If anyone want info on all the paperwork I had to do just drop me a note

All the best

 

[bikesandbeer]

Can we see some photos of the finished set up?

 

[Druncan]

Well done m8! We went a different route. Got HMRC warehouse with duty suspension and small cider producer exemption. Been Supplying my restaurant only since June 2016 with my beer and cider brewed in our commercial kitchen. I invited EHO's to a site meeting then and contacted Licensing, TStandards early on. Worth while to just keep it all right.

Now extending dedicated brewery area to 30 sq m part of our house. Builders in, new concrete floor, Busted walls out and steel girders supporting the roof. Flowcrete PU screed, ACO stainless steel gully drain next and 1.5mm pvc on the walls.

Permission to brew twice per week from planning. Waste discharge permit is 400l in a week to our other septic. Planning to supply our two hotels and not much more as I have AWRS. You got it right. Keep it local!!!

Don't forget to do your EX46 for HMRC even if it's a nil return,,,,

 

[Winterbournebrewery]

Good luck on your journey. Holidays though , you can forget them ! Honestly though , enjoy.

 

[Trom-man76]

Just got the all clear from AWRS now no excuses need to get brewing and selling