New internet laws articles 11 & 13

[simon12]

The EU is likely to be bringing these new rules and will decide on 20/06/18. I can only really find the basics on these but my understanding is as follows:
Article 11 also known as the link tax:
This will charge websites to have links to news articles, ie half the threads in the snug start with a link to news articles so if this comes in someone will have to pay for each of these links but who or how I have no idea. Apparently Spain and Germany tried to implement this in the past and it all went wrong and I have no idea what the logic behind it is.
Article 13:
This will require sites that host content (utube facebook etc.) to filter all uploads to there sites for copyright material and from what I can tell will block a huge amount of stuff including any pictures or videos that have been cut together for satire or content that includes clips for critical purposes ie if you want to do a video about what a politician said you will not be able to use the clip of what they said.

If you know more about this than me please correct or clarify anything I have said.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Apparently Spain and Germany tried to implement this in the past and it all went wrong

I don't see the harm in pasting part of an article then leaving a link to the original and have never heard of any site being prosecuted for doing it, i am not surprised it all went wrong how are they going to police it?

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[Leon103]

I don't see the harm in pasting part of an article then leaving a link to the original and have never heard of any site being prosecuted for doing it, i am not surprised it all went wrong how are they going to police it?

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I guess if you are directed to a news site from another site it will log which site you came from and charge for that. But I would see news sites setting their fees at 0p because they want or need the traffic to generate income.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I agree, how many sites can afford to set a price that would stop people sending others to it it would be financial suicide.

 

[simon12]

Looking into it a bit more on the link think it will not charge for just a link but if you display a thumbnail and a snippet with a link ie targeting google news searches and in order to pay the tax you need to get a license also no news sites can opt out even if they don't contain copyrighted material and allow people to share the info. freely. But you will be able to post a link ogn here to an article as long as you write your own text about it and not a copy and paste from it. Its weird how despite there being loads of articles about it theres almost nothing about the details of how it will work. It seems it backfired in Germany as google just stopped linking to German news articles.

 

[Clint]

What another pile of crap! Who would pay? How would they get the money?
Why don't the EU lot just go and boil their heads...

 

[Brianbrewed]

From what I read it seems like a clumsy way to protect creative copyright.

Anyway haven't you guys left the EU so it won't effect ye anyway???

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Anyway haven't you guys left the EU so it won't effect ye anyway???

That's a very good point. :hat:

 

[simon12]

From what I read it seems like a clumsy way to protect creative copyright.

Anyway haven't you guys left the EU so it won't effect ye anyway???

We haven't left yet.

 

[GerritT]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_quote

 

[Chippy_Tea]

The articles title could be a little over the top but it makes interesting reading.



The EU could be about to ban memes and ‘destroy the internet’

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/08/eu-ban-memes-kill-internet-7615802/?ito=cbshare

Jim Killock, executive director of the UK’s Open Rights Group, told the BBC: ‘Article 13 will create a ‘Robo-copyright’ regime, where machines zap anything they identify as breaking copyright rules, despite legal bans on laws that require ‘general monitoring’ of users to protect their privacy. ‘Unfortunately, while machines can spot duplicate uploads of Beyonce songs, they can’t spot parodies, understand memes that use copyright images, or make any kind of cultural judgement about what creative people are doing. We see this all too often on YouTube already. ‘Add to that, the EU wants to apply the Robocop approach to extremism, hate speech, and anything else they think can get away with, once they put it in place for copyright. This would be disastrous.’

Apologies to the members that posted about the memes earlier i was removing the off topic posts and somehow managed to remove them as well.

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[Chippy_Tea]

Last post removed a moment ago (this time on purpose) can we keep this on topic and not turn it into yet another argument about U.K politics.

 

[Clint]

...so I can't genuinely ask what a meme is?

 

[Chippy_Tea]

...so I can't genuinely ask what a meme is?

Yes you can Clint look at the last sentence in post 11.

 

[Clint]

...sorry chippy...

 

[MyQul]

If this is only enforceable in the EU, wont people just start doing things like using servers outside of the EU?

 

[Cwrw666]

It may be a coincidence but Facebook has removed it's `trending' news sidebar a few days ago. I will so miss all the news about american senators I've never heard of and football `heroes' I've also never heard of.

 

[simon12]

If this is only enforceable in the EU, wont people just start doing things like using servers outside of the EU?

For article 11 the link tax thing yes except its targeted at large google and facebook type companies which will conform as they have a huge EU base and its easy for them just to stop any UK news links and only use US or other outside EU sources for article 13 I imagine if you upload outside the EU (or using a VPN that says you are) then you will get round it but if your youtube or whatever account is registered in the UK it may scan it anyway or not let you upload from outside.

 

[Clint]

You know what...if I was "au fais"(if that's how you say it)with internet stuff and the like I would deliberately do all this crap nonsense they keep popping up with...like everyone should ..to give them the finger....it's truly amazing our fathers and grandfather's fought for freedom in Europe but the snake is slowly raising it's head.....

 

[Saisonator]

Yep the EU is a slowly creeping authority that has no respect for it's individual nations and will slowly consume our freedoms.
Our government is bad enough at that to be honest.