NEIPA grain bill

[alsch890]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/patspi...dry-hopping-lessons-from-tom-shellhammer/amp/
https://brulosophy.com/2019/06/24/investigating-the-dry-hop-saturation-point-exbeeriment-results/
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I just read these, interesting studies. I love the brulosophy exbeeriments!

 

[thegrantickle]

Lallemand New England. I also have a packet of Lallemand Verdant in the fridge but earmarking that for my next brew (planning a single hop Enigma ale using Wheat and Carawheat).

It's a really nice yeast. Takes a few days to get going, but leaves a nice stable haze and some nice citrusy esters.

 

[Leon103]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/patspi...dry-hopping-lessons-from-tom-shellhammer/amp/
https://brulosophy.com/2019/06/24/investigating-the-dry-hop-saturation-point-exbeeriment-results/
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Opened the first link and turned after I read that they used cascade for 24 hours, also whole leaf.

Hop products have come on a long while since then, I am sure if he used different hops for different periods of time he would have different results.

 

[Brew_DD2]

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Opened the first link and turned after I read that they used cascade for 24 hours, also whole leaf.

Hop products have come on a long while since then, I am sure if he used different hops for different periods of time he would have different results.

Unfortunately people have extrapolated from one study that 8g/L is a "saturation point" when in reality, it's diminishing returns (of the oils we ordinarily look to extract), and Shellhammer himself has been clear that this is a very narrow study.

 

[thegrantickle]

Unfortunately people have extrapolated from one study that 8g/L is a "saturation point" when in reality, it's diminishing returns (of the oils we ordinarily look to extract), and Shellhammer himself has been clear that this is a very narrow study.

I'll accept that. What I don't think is right is blanket advising someone "at least 14g/L dry hop" with no reason not justification.

 

[Leon103]

I'll accept that. What I don't think is right is blanket advising someone "at least 14g/L dry hop" with no reason not justification.

Sorry didn't realise it needed for a full explanation.

Neipa are highly hopped beers, as pet the guidelines. Now 6g/l may be ok got a traditional american pale ale but not a neipa. Experience tells me you want to be aiming for at least 14g/l. Conversation with professional brewers will also confirm this. A few breweries release data about dropping rates. Cloudwater are good at this. I had one with 25g/l and it was amazing. Verdant released the recipe for even sharks need water which they describe as a ipa, recipe states 16g/l.
https://www.themaltmiller.co.uk/product/verdant-even-sharks-need-water-neipa/

 

[chillipickle]

Every now and then i love an in your face juicy hop bomb of a neipa.Buying hops in 1kg bags at a time takes the sting out of the cost.
My fav hops for neipa are el dorado, idaho 7, citra, sabro.

I done a couple of brews this summer (23ltr) 180g in whirlpool at 78c......80g first dry hop day 2.....200g dry hop at 5 days.Belive me the kegs did not last long.

I am sure there are diminishing returns on g/ltr, but as Leon posted 15g/ltr is far from uncommon for a juicy hop bomb neipa.

 

[Ronnie23]

Every now and then i love an in your face juicy hop bomb of a neipa.Buying hops in 1kg bags at a time takes the sting out of the cost.
My fav hops for neipa are el dorado, idaho 7, citra, sabro.

I done a couple of brews this summer (23ltr) 180g in whirlpool at 78c......80g first dry hop day 2.....200g dry hop at 5 days.Belive me the kegs did not last long.

I am sure there are diminishing returns on g/ltr, but as Leon posted 15g/ltr is far from uncommon for a juicy hop bomb neipa.

How long do you whirl pool for mate? Do you take the first dry hop out before putting the second in?

 

[chillipickle]

30 min whirlpool, just throw the hops in on top of the first dh.

 

[fgoulding]

I've been on the NEIPA quest for quite some time and my current brew is the best so far.

For a 23L batch at 5.9% I used:

3.6kg Extra Pale
900g Flaked Oats
900g Wheat Malt
600g Cara Gold

No hops in the boil
75g Galaxy and 75g Nelson for a 15min Whirpool at 85C
75g Galaxy and 75g Nelson dry hopped for 3 days
20g Citra lupomax teabag keg hop

Next time I want to push the ABV a bit more and try yet another yeast, maybe Verdant IPA or Imperial Juice A38 (if I can get my hands on it). But so far Kveik Voss has been my favourite.

 

[alsch890]

thanks for all the advice. In the end I solved the issue of going to the shop for oats by getting my wife to pop in the shop on the way home! I brewed on Saturday and it seemed to come out alright and there is a lovely thick krausen already, going to drop the first dry hop in tonight.

I went with this grain bill in the end, upped the oats but not quite to the max and reduced the flaked barley, I'll probably push it up a bit more again next time as it didn't stick or burn or anything:

2.8kg pilsner
800g oats
300g wheat
200g flaked barley
200g carapils

and I did move the 5 min addition to the switch off instead. and then added the whirlpool addition between 70-76 degrees and held it for 30 mins.