Low alcohol beer and how to brew advise required (Diabetes)

[RoomWithABrew]

Too many calories for calories used will result in weight gain.
Some alcoholics are very slim, this is due to poor calorie intake from other sources also that insulin sensitivity increases ( insulin is a catabolic hormone) and muscle breakdown occurs amongst other actions. This is in the non diabetic alcoholic.
Drinking petrol will probably not make you fat I don't think the liver metabolises it into fat. It is a fat soluble substance but so many toxins in petrol that it causes widespread damage to contact and distant organs.
A few entries in the Darwin awards from drinking petrol.

 

[peebee]

The "petrol" analogy was to make nonsense of the assumption "calories" has any bearing on human nutrition. It'd just a tool for silly "women's" magazines and other gutter press. I've never come across anything conclusive about alcohol providing energy or not ... plenty saying ya or nah, but nothing "conclusive". So, I guess I fall into the "Aussie" camp? (As per my last email). I was sure I'd find the answer in this: Ethanol metabolism: The good, the bad, and the ugly, but I can only read five lines at a time before alarms start sounding to warn of impending mental breakdown.

One thing's for sure ... got nowt to do with flippin' "calories"!

 

[Jim Brewster]

Anybody been having success recently with low alcohol beers at 0.5%? David Heath's pale ale is the only one I've brewed and it turned out surprisingly good but I am always on the look out to have a go at something different

 

[RoomWithABrew]

Agreed drinking petrol is nonsense, swimming in it ill advised as well.
I have a low alcohol brew planned using LA01 and a cold mash, hoppy and hazy. But need to clear some room in my Keg fridge which is full, plus three other fermenting.

 

[peebee]

... I have a low alcohol brew planned using LA01 and a cold mash, hoppy and hazy. ...

I never tried that LA01 yeast, but did try "cold extract/mash". I'm surprised "cold mash" is still doing the rounds: Be careful, the burnt-out boiler elements are a very real hazard! I almost fell foul of that (wrote it up as "grain omelette"!). It also resulted in something for which "hazy" would have been an optimistic description.

The "Hot Mash" @Jim Brewster describes is more interesting? It isn't a "David Heath" invention but another Lallemand/Fermentis one (it is described on their Website too). I've not tried it yet. Both rely on extracting the few mono/di-saccharides (sucrose, glucose, etc.) already in the grain and convert the remaining starch to unfermentable dextrin (Lallemand suggest using their "Windsor" yeast as a "Maltriose Negative" yeast - their words - but I found it would "creep" and preferred S-33 as a "dextose averse" - my words! - yeast). Hot mash also has the advantage of not having to figure out how to quickly heat a beta-amylase active dextrin solution to above the temperature beta-amylase is active to prevent conversion to maltose .

One last conundrum: This is a "diabetes" thread ... both hot and cold mash techniques produce unfermentable dextrin. Your own body will make quick work of converting that unfermentable dextrin to sugar!

 

[Jim Brewster]

One last conundrum: This is a "diabetes" thread ... both hot and cold mash techniques produce unfermentable dextrin. Your own body will make quick work of converting that unfermentable dextrin to sugar!

Very good point! I'd assume maltotriose would also end up splitting into some sort of saccharides that would increase insulin levels.

A lot of the 0% commercial beers I've tried taste very sweet too. For diabetes you want high attention/ dry finish. In truth something like a Coors light is arguably the best compromise

 

[MashBag]

one of you is wrong, but we don't know who -

Well done. I like that.

 

[MashBag]

One last conundrum: This is a "diabetes" thread ... both hot and cold mash techniques produce unfermentable dextrin. Your own body will make quick work of converting that unfermentable dextrin to sugar!

No that is something I really had not connected. So we back into. Make and then remove the alcohol.

If indeed its a problem and not a fad.

 

[hop-a-long]

one of you is wrong, but we don't know who

Reminds me of a line in Dire Straits' Industrial Disease:

Two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong.

 

[MashBag]

Reminds me of a line in Dire Straits' Industrial Disease:

Two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong.

Exactly one of them is wrong, but we don't know who.

 

[Bjorn Toulouse]

As said before, carbs are bad, calories don't matter neither dose alcohol. So if you want to drink 2 litre of beer don't eat carbs. Breakfast, eggs bacon sausages black pudding NO toast or potato scones or orange juice. Lunch Beans and sausage, dinner fish or steak NO chips.

Drinks substitute some beer intake for whisky with a diet soft drink as a mixer. Cut sugar intake. Cut carb intake = 4 pints of normal beer.
in 6 months went from 96 --> 40 and from 2 metformin to one a day.

so the choice is .....

lower blood sugar - bread - beer

pick two of the three

Oh forgot to add lost 2 stone now fit into 28" Levis

 

[peebee]

... Oh forgot to add lost 2 stone now fit into 28" Levis

First read this wrong: Porky so-so, eating too much black puddin' ...

Quick retake ... 28", I'm thinking 38"! (Don't employ me to measure anything critical in imperial measures!).

... Hell's Teeth, you're a flippin' rake man!