looks like my 1st flop....

[artyb]

after around 40 different brews this year, :party:
wine,beer,lager,cider,ginger beer, lemonade,stouts,bitters, etc....

i seem to have a kit die on me,....

i started a tom caxton real ale kit, added 500g of unrefined sugar, and short brewed it to 4 gallons,

started it on sunday,
monday morning it was bubbling very well with a 2'' head on it,

tuesday all well and bubbling through the air lock franticly.... :clap:

wednesday morning.......NOTHING....

the airlock is level, there is no sign of fermenting,no small bubbles,no foam, there does appear to be a slight smell of vinegar...and the sting in the nose of of co2... i suppose today im going to have to drink a bit... :?

ive not really done anything different, well sterilised every thing.

the only thing ,which i dont really see as an issue, was the fact that the kit was 3 months out of date [on the tin]...but it did start of well..?

 

[Stone Cold]

has the hydrometer stopped?

 

[Stone Cold]

can a tin of extract go 'off'? in my logic no, its full of sugar (my food hygiene level 1 taught me things full of sugar do not go off) and its in a tin? in 2050 when the worlds over and every leader pushed the red button survivors should be living off tins of beans and brewing extract.

 

[markp]

I'd check the gravity before comming to any conclusion.
I have also sometimes picked up a faint vinegar whiff from FV that doesn't translate in to the final beer.....somebody mentioned these may be esters in another thread.

ATB

 

[evanvine]

Panic not, taste it first and take an SG.
I'll bet it's ok and you've just had an unusally fast ferment :thumb:

 

[Growler]

all of my kits seem to ferment out really quickly but I still leave them 14 days in the fv and never had a bad one so far

although I do use an fv with an airlock I only check it to make sure they start then I don't really bother with the airlock

 

[artyb]

i will give it taste tonight ,and stick a hydro in it,
ive also got two other out of date kits that were given to me, so one of them will be on next,

 

[Stone Cold]

im still wondering about my question....can it really go off????

 

[Sean_Mc]

A brew I did on Tuesday has fermented out by this morning, just leaving it to drop now.

The last few nights have been very warm and it was fresh yeast, so am not that concerned

 

[cutnrun]

im still wondering about my question....can it really go off????

There are bacteria and fungi out there to break down almost anything at all sorts of extreams. i have found a fungi growing in 80% alcohol before.

however it would be extreamly unlikley that an organism that could stand the canning, and high osmotic preasure would be found in a can very often. If the kit has gone off (and i agree give it a tase first!) more likley that it was an imperfect can or... sorry... contamination from a human error

wow my microbiology degree came in useful!!

 

[Stone Cold]

possibly a dented can also im thinking

 

[evanvine]

possibly a dented can also im thinking

How badly does a can have to be dented before it affects the product?
Would it not only have effect when the integrity of the can lining was compromised?

 

[Stone Cold]

yeah thats what happens, thats why all dented cans are on the discount shelf in the supermarket

 

[abeyptfc]

im still wondering about my question....can it really go off????

There are bacteria and fungi out there to break down almost anything at all sorts of extreams. i have found a fungi growing in 80% alcohol before.

however it would be extreamly unlikley that an organism that could stand the canning, and high osmotic preasure would be found in a can very often. If the kit has gone off (and i agree give it a tase first!) more likley that it was an imperfect can or... sorry... contamination from a human error

wow my microbiology degree came in useful!!

it depends how many cans of it you're drinking!

 

[evanvine]

yeah thats what happens, thats why all dented cans are on the discount shelf in the supermarket

I wish!

 

[artyb]

after around 40 different brews this year, :party:
wine,beer,lager,cider,ginger beer, lemonade,stouts,bitters, etc....

i seem to have a kit die on me,....

i started a tom caxton real ale kit, added 500g of unrefined sugar, and short brewed it to 4 gallons,

started it on sunday,
monday morning it was bubbling very well with a 2'' head on it,

tuesday all well and bubbling through the air lock franticly.... :clap:

wednesday morning.......NOTHING....

the airlock is level, there is no sign of fermenting,no small bubbles,no foam, there does appear to be a slight smell of vinegar...and the sting in the nose of of co2... i suppose today im going to have to drink a bit... :?

ive not really done anything different, well sterilised every thing.

the only thing ,which i dont really see as an issue, was the fact that the kit was 3 months out of date [on the tin]...but it did start of well..?

ta raa ... :party:

here are my findings....

i left the brew for until today....sunday 10th

i took a reading with the hydrometer, and it had stopped at a tad above 1002....

the smell had seemed to mellowed but still had a niff about it .. :wha:

i racked it into another fv and then gave it a taste ..its actually very tasty, and quite good, i drank a half... :drink: .... :party:

it is very brown and cloudy so it may clear....but im not concerned... :grin:

so... it looks as if there is no contamination...and it must have fermented in just over two days,
it was the extract from the tin and 500g of dark brown sugar so these combined may have caused the conditions i have experienced,


so alls well that ends well i will be bottling it tomorrow ... :thumb:

many thanks to all who held my hand during this difficult time.....lol..

 

[artyb]

bottled this tonite and it has lost its vinegar smell... :party:
it has a sweet taste with a very late slightly bitter taste ..will allow it to condition ,then store in a cool place for a moth b4 the next trial... :

i wondering... if this rapid ferment was caused by me aerating the wort with a paint stirrer on an electric drill,

b4 adding the yeast..and the fact there was 500g of dark brown sugar and the whole lot was only made up to just under 4 gallons...?

 

[markp]

I love happy endings :grin:

 

[artyb]

yep.... :party:

when brewing.... it looks like we should; stay calm,be patient and not jump to conclusions... :thumb: