Hoppy without dry hopping

[dannythemanny]

So apparently SNPA is not dry-hopped. Do they just use tonnes and tonnes of late addition hops then? I cannot seem to get any satisfactory, delicious flowery, citrusy hop flavour found in APA's and American IPA's. I love my hoppy beers, but I've never been able to make one that is hoppy enough. I've come close with dry-hopping, but I really feel that my late addition hops (10 mins and less) are a waste of hops. I'm typically adding 2 - 3 times the amount that I'm using for buttering from 10 mins through to flameout. For instance, I wanted a nice hoppy lager, so added 100g of Perle split between 10, 5, 2 mins from end and at flameout. Still no discernable hoppy taste though. I was beginning to think that the flavour in after is only possible through dry hopping, but I consider SNPA hoppy enough and it isn't dry-hopped, apparently. Any thoughts?

 

[clibit]

You can get loads of hoppiness with late hops. What hops have you used other than Perle? SNPA is Cascade, which is a much more intense hop than Perle.

 

[kimbell]

Have you looked into hop stands?

https://byo.com/hops/item/2808-hop-stands

 

[dannythemanny]

Yeah, I've tried Cascade a lot too. Amarillo, Columbus (once)... Never get anything unless I dry hop. If you're making a 5 gallon batch if SNPA, how much late hop additions would you use, do you reckon? I've seen a few clones and I'm sceptical it's be as deliciously, refreshingly hoppy as the real McCoy! :)

 

[clibit]

This recipe is meant to be good and is very similar to others I've seen:

5450g Lager Malt
450g Pale Crystal Malt
Mash @66c for 90 mins

30g Northern Brewer 60 mins
30g Cascade 10 mins.
70g Cascade 1 Min

There are much hoppier beers than SNPA though.

 

[dannythemanny]

Yes, there certainly are. When I started drinking it (about 15 years ago before I was "into" beer!) all I could taste were the hops. Now I find the malty sweetness to be much more prominent. So I guess my palate's changed too. I would *really* like to make something akin to Dark Star's APA, but I imagine that IS quite heavily dry-hopped. I may give that SNPA clone a go first. - I've just ordered a load of lager malt with not many plans for it, so cheers for that ! :)

 

[dannythemanny]

Sorry, kimbell - just seen the bit about hop stands. I'd be scared of contamination! But it does look really interesting if i was really hot on sanitation.

 

[clibit]

Yes, there certainly are. When I started drinking it (about 15 years ago before I was "into" beer!) all I could taste were the hops. Now I find the malty sweetness to be much more prominent. So I guess my palate's changed too. I would *really* like to make something akin to Dark Star's APA, but I imagine that IS quite heavily dry-hopped. I may give that SNPA clone a go first. - I've just ordered a load of lager malt with not many plans for it, so cheers for that ! :)

I once went down the pub and had a pint of Dark Star APA and exclaimed to my mate, "that's just like my latest home brew!"

I made it with Maris Otter, Cascade and Centennial and US05 yeast. The Dark Star website says it contains Maris Otter and Chinook, Cascade and Centennial. Apparently it didn't used to contain Chinook, which may be used just for bittering. I could bung you the recipe.

 

[clibit]

Sorry, kimbell - just seen the bit about hop stands. I'd be scared of contamination! But it does look really interesting if i was really hot on sanitation.

Hop stands don't cause contamination. You add hops at a temperature of 80C or more.

 

[dannythemanny]

If you could chuck me the recipe, it would be hugely appreciated!

I would've thought a hop stand of over an hour would see temperatures drop below 80C after flameout, no?

 

[cheshirehomebrew]

Citra, Amarillo and cascade are all great late addition hops

 

[jamie72]

I once went down the pub and had a pint of Dark Star APA and exclaimed to my mate, "that's just like my latest home brew!"

I made it with Maris Otter, Cascade and Centennial and US05 yeast. The Dark Star website says it contains Maris Otter and Chinook, Cascade and Centennial. Apparently it didn't used to contain Chinook, which may be used just for bittering. I could bung you the recipe.

Could you bung me the recipe too please clibit? I really fancy having a go at making this. :

 

[clibit]

Sorry missed this. Here is the recipe I made:

Batch Size (L): 23.0
Original Gravity (OG): 1.045
Final Gravity (FG): 1.007
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 4.95 %
Bitterness (IBU): 40
Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 70
Boil Time (Minutes): 60

4.6 kg Maris Otter Malt (100%)

23 g Centennial Leaf (13.5% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes
16 g Cascade Leaf (9.2% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes
12 g Cascade Leaf (9.2% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop)

7 g Irish Moss @ 15 Minutes (Boil)

Single step Infusion at 65°C for 60 Minutes.
Fermented at 18-20°C with Safale US-05

If I did it again I think I'd use some Centennial in the dry hop as well as Cascade. This isn't a Dark Star APA clone, just a beer i made that was very similar.

 

[jamie72]

Cheers clibit might do this next. :thumb:

 

[dannythemanny]

Fantastic! Thanks!