Hop substitutions or suggest me a recipe

[MickDundee]

Between children's birthday parties, family birthdays and family illness, I've finally found a time to do my first brew of the year (when my wife is in a night out on 11th February) and have started planning my next 2 brews.

I'm fine with my American Wheat apart from yeast choice (not sure whether to just do the GH American Wheat but change and increase the hops using US-05, or whether to do an American Wheat / Belgian Wit hybrid with a wit yeast but I'll make that decision myself). Hops will be Amarillo and Mandarina Bavaria.

For the other brew I really would like to make an IPA and was planning either the original or current Punk IPA from DIY Dog. GEB have a sale on 2015 harvest hops at the moment so I was keen to buy from them, but they don't have Crystal (so I can't do the original) and they don't have Nelson Sauvin (so I can't do the current). What am I best to substitute with? A web search suggests one of the German lager type hops(hallertauer etc) for Crystal but NS is pretty unique.

Does anyone either have a suggestion for a substitute or offer a good IPA recipe. I'm quite fussy with IPAs, I find a lot of them to be all bitterness and not enough hop flavour/aroma which is why I'm keen to go one of the Punk recipes.

 

[sdt7618]

Mick

Malt Miller has the NS in stock, there was also a thread the other day with a hop substitution chart in it.

http://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=68272&highlight=substitution

Has Crystal options but not NS ones

 

[Leon103]

You can get both of those hops from Crossmyloof

https://www.facebook.com/TheCrossmy...171589874103/1378148442209750/?type=3&theater

 

[jceg316]

It's quite easy to make a hoppy-not-bitter IPA without having to splash out on proprietary hops for a Punk clone. Have very few bittering hops at 60 mins, or move the bittering addition to 30 mins instead of 60 mins, and put a hell of a lot of flavour hops in the last 10 mins. This recipe is made off the top of my head more as an example of a hop character forward recipe than an actual tried and tested recipe:

FV Vol: 23 litres

Pale malt: 4.5kg
Vienna Malt: 1kg

Columbus 15g @ 60min
columbus 20g @5min
Amarillo 20g @5min
Cascade 20g @5min
Columbus 40g dry hop
Amarillo 40g dry hop
cascade 40g dry hop

 

[Crystal_Ball]

If you have the Greg Hughes book I have done the 60 minute IPA and I can recommend that highly!

 

[Covrich]

By all means try it each to their own but BYO highly recommend against using American hops in Belgian wits as they feel the more powerful hops dont work with the funky yeast and corianderect..

Like I say not saying dont do it, never tried it myself

 

[MickDundee]

By all means try it each to their own but BYO highly recommend against using American hops in Belgian wits as they feel the more powerful hops dont work with the funky yeast and corianderect..

Like I say not saying dont do it, never tried it myself

I was erring towards caution anyway, but I thought using orangey hops might work. In that case I'll stick with Plan A and do a standard American Wheat. The one I did following the GH recipe to the letter was tremendous, so switching hops and upping the flameout additions should be just as good!

 

[MickDundee]

If you have the Greg Hughes book I have done the 60 minute IPA and I can recommend that highly!

I'd been looking at the recipes in the GH book too but wasn't sure I could be bothered adding 7g of hops every 5 minutes. I take it it's worth it?

 

[stesmi]

Yeah Crossmyloof have them, but I think they're on holiday until Wednesday.

 

[jonh]

I've just made a (rough) extract clone of Brew Dog's dead pony club, with a bit of a strength boost. It turned out very well (although I'm pretty new to this to judge). The Simcoe and Mosaic seem to be part of the deal on GEB.

http://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/view/424746/dead-pony-stronger-


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[DoctorMick]

The original punk is more of a bitter IPA so you may want to stay clear of that one.

 

[Crystal_Ball]

I'd been looking at the recipes in the GH book too but wasn't sure I could be bothered adding 7g of hops every 5 minutes. I take it it's worth it?

I'm going to brew this again because I think it's worth it!

I would be happy to increase the later hop additions. Maybe even drop or decrease the first hops which is probably against an IPA but maybe I'm just a rule breaker!!

 

[wfr42]

@mickdundee if you fancy a quick bottle swap my simple ipa is ready (disappearing quickly).

I used 5kg pale malt and 200g of porridge oats
20g (cheap HBC) millennium hops for bittering at 60mins
Then
15g of cascade and 15g of summit at 10mins
15g of cascade and 15g of summit at 5mins
20g of cascade and 20g of summit at 0mins

Then a dry hop/hop tea after 1 week of fermentation with us05.

Very difficult to have just one...and thinking of making it a house brew.

https://www.morebeer.com/articles/homebrew_beer_hops is my goto hop swap list.