oz11
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BigYin
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Hope they do get deported, no reason why we should let people stay who come to live here to commit crime :evil:
Cononthebarber
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Good glad they got caught, bang them up is what I say!
You do have to ask the question as to how they are able to "scrap" perfectly good kegs, if there weren't unscrupulous scrap metal dealers willing to buy them off them, they wouldnt have a market. If you ask me the police should be focussing on the dealers who are driving the illegal trade in the first place!
You do have to ask the question as to how they are able to "scrap" perfectly good kegs, if there weren't unscrupulous scrap metal dealers willing to buy them off them, they wouldnt have a market. If you ask me the police should be focussing on the dealers who are driving the illegal trade in the first place!
hairybiker
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Cononthebarber said:
So you would have the tax payer pay for them to have 3 meals a day and somewhere to live for nowt? I say deport them and let their country bang them up.
Cononthebarber
Landlord.
You are missing the point of this story, focussing on the fact that these people are foreign is moving away from the fact that they committed the crime in the UK and have been tried by UK courts. We all know the feet dragging tactics that takes place when trying to deport people, it takes months if not years...and you dont really think that being in prison is a barrel (no pun intended! :)) of laughs do you? If the police managed to find £70k+ of kegs I reckon they were doing alright for themselves, I think a stretch in small room with 4 walls and a bed to look at may do them some good IMHO :)
Frogfurlong
Landlord.
These people are scum.
I don't care if they come from Tewkesbury or Timbuktu, their families should be made to pay the expenses of keeping them in Gaol.
Can't pay for food? Tough sh*t, shouldn't have stolen stuff then should you!
Can't pay to keep the heating on? Poor baby, maybe we should get you outside breaking rocks until you are good and warm!
Gaol must be a barrel of laughs, otherwise we wouldn't have so many repeat offenders.
I don't care if they come from Tewkesbury or Timbuktu, their families should be made to pay the expenses of keeping them in Gaol.
Can't pay for food? Tough sh*t, shouldn't have stolen stuff then should you!
Can't pay to keep the heating on? Poor baby, maybe we should get you outside breaking rocks until you are good and warm!
Gaol must be a barrel of laughs, otherwise we wouldn't have so many repeat offenders.
BigYin
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Frogfurlong said:
Yep, if they put me in charge of crime and punishment there'd be far less repeat offenders :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
jonewer
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BigYin said:
They'll just come straight back again. Romania is going to join the EU soon and then we wont be able to deport them anyway!
Cononthebarber
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BigYin said:
Sorry but couldn't diagree more, it is clear that punishment alone does not work in reducing crime. In Saudi Arabia they chop peoples limbs off for shoplifting and stone people to death but there is still crime. It just doesn't work, I went on a tour of the clink prison in London, there they used to leave people to starve to death in a pit for petty crimes. The prison was still over crowded with prisoners through most of its existence!
People will continue to reoffend until they have a viable alternative and learn that being law-abiding is a good way to live. People in prison should not just languish behind bars, they should be taught a trade, learn to read and write properly and gain new skills so that when they are released they have a chance to change their life. All too many criminals are stuck in a revolving door and its clear that prison as it is just doesn't work...
The Goatreich
Landlord.
Hear hear Conan! I didn't like the way this thread was going until you spoke up. :clap:
BigYin
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The key is to provide BOTH punishment AND rehabilitation.
The punishment phase serves both to satisfy the public desire that criminals are punished for their crimes, and if done right, it serves as motivation for the prisoner to genuinely want to stay out of prison and find a way to make a living and a way of life away from crime, and the rehabilitation phase should provide them with the skills to do just that.
I agree that punishment alone doesn't cut it, but then rehabilitation on its own doesn't really work either. You need both of them.
Interestingly there are other ways to reduce re-offending - e.g. the prison in the states where the inmates have to wear pink clothes, and live in tents in the desert; and then there's the judge who makes people publicly admit their crimes, which has an incredibly low recidivism rate - kind of a modern take on the old stocks.
The punishment phase serves both to satisfy the public desire that criminals are punished for their crimes, and if done right, it serves as motivation for the prisoner to genuinely want to stay out of prison and find a way to make a living and a way of life away from crime, and the rehabilitation phase should provide them with the skills to do just that.
I agree that punishment alone doesn't cut it, but then rehabilitation on its own doesn't really work either. You need both of them.
Interestingly there are other ways to reduce re-offending - e.g. the prison in the states where the inmates have to wear pink clothes, and live in tents in the desert; and then there's the judge who makes people publicly admit their crimes, which has an incredibly low recidivism rate - kind of a modern take on the old stocks.
Frogfurlong
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Sorry if I have caused offence.
It was not my intention to make anyone on this forum feel uncomfortable. My opinions are my own and should have remained as such.
It was not my intention to make anyone on this forum feel uncomfortable. My opinions are my own and should have remained as such.
oz11
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Much more importantly.... get the kegs back to the owning breweries and get 'em refilled! :
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Dave1970
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Good on the police for catching them.
I've been into a few of the prisons around Leicester. I've played rugby against Glen Parva, Gartree and Stocken, and I've been around Leicester Prison. They were all bloody awful, definitely not easy places to be. Sadly there are a few people who's lives on the outside are so crap that prison isn't any worse, and in many cases it's their own fault that their lives are like they are.
All the evidence is that harsh punishments don't actually discourage crime. Look at the US for example where they have long mandatory sentences for what in the UK would be considered minor drug offences and yet levels of drug use remain high.
There's clearly no easy answers, the key is breaking behaviour patterns. Someone who comes out of prison and goes back to the same area, same friends, same lifestyle, is likely to reoffend.
The wardens at Stocken, when having a beer in the Officers Club after the game (no drinks with the opposition after a prison fixture!) reckoned they've had a lot of success with rugby & setting people up with a local club on their release - this gives them a different group of friends and takes them out of the pattern that's leading to reoffending. Simple idea but more effective than harsh punishment or expensive education programmes
I've been into a few of the prisons around Leicester. I've played rugby against Glen Parva, Gartree and Stocken, and I've been around Leicester Prison. They were all bloody awful, definitely not easy places to be. Sadly there are a few people who's lives on the outside are so crap that prison isn't any worse, and in many cases it's their own fault that their lives are like they are.
All the evidence is that harsh punishments don't actually discourage crime. Look at the US for example where they have long mandatory sentences for what in the UK would be considered minor drug offences and yet levels of drug use remain high.
There's clearly no easy answers, the key is breaking behaviour patterns. Someone who comes out of prison and goes back to the same area, same friends, same lifestyle, is likely to reoffend.
The wardens at Stocken, when having a beer in the Officers Club after the game (no drinks with the opposition after a prison fixture!) reckoned they've had a lot of success with rugby & setting people up with a local club on their release - this gives them a different group of friends and takes them out of the pattern that's leading to reoffending. Simple idea but more effective than harsh punishment or expensive education programmes
Devonhomebrew
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Did they steal those kegs just for the weight value of kegs?
hedgerow pete
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must admit i have dealt with keg watch many times last year and before,
great people to deal with,
i used to work refurbing pubs into flats and offices etc, we were always driving home with half a dozen barrels in the back of the van . so i could leave em at home so they can pop around to collect them off me, rather than leaving them about for the pikies to steal
the real problem here is not the theft but the fact that someone is buying them as scrap. i have seen the pictures of the ali barrels being melted down but not the stainless ones, they just cut them up to scrap em, as well as two thieves in the nick there should also be a scrap yard dealer in with them to
as for the pros and cons of deportation and or prison, no comment
great people to deal with,
i used to work refurbing pubs into flats and offices etc, we were always driving home with half a dozen barrels in the back of the van . so i could leave em at home so they can pop around to collect them off me, rather than leaving them about for the pikies to steal
the real problem here is not the theft but the fact that someone is buying them as scrap. i have seen the pictures of the ali barrels being melted down but not the stainless ones, they just cut them up to scrap em, as well as two thieves in the nick there should also be a scrap yard dealer in with them to
as for the pros and cons of deportation and or prison, no comment
