First BIAB - Recipe Suggestions Please

[Mickeywheelspin]

In a week or so I am hoping to finally dust off the 40 Buffalo urn I was given by the wife for Christmas and make my first BIAB. Been doing kits for a while so I think I've got everything I need now I've finished sewing up my bag, bar some finings and ingredients.

I've been trying to sort out a reasonably simple recipe but haven't found anything yet (I'm probably just looking in the wrong places). I've downloaded Beer Smith and setup equipment and mash profiles, but seem to be going round in circles with the limited sample recipes.

Can anyone recommend a decent recipe for a first BIAB in a 40l urn? I was thinking about a SMASH for my first attempt with the urn, just to get my eye in. Now the sun is on it's way out of hibernation something light and hoppy would be ideal...

Any suggestions or pointers would be much appreciated.

TA.

 

[MyQul]

A SMaSH is a very good idea for a first BIAB. I was discussing doing the very same with bungle earlier on another thread.

If you want something light I would go for about 4% abv you'd need 4.3kg of base malt (marris otter) this is based on 70% efficiency with a yeast of 75% attenuation.

I'm not so good on hops. Maybe 35 IBU. Clibit gave Bungle some excellent advise on hop choice:

"I think a smash is a good idea - they make great beers. A lot of the world's great beers are very simple. You can add a bit of crystal or caramalt or carapils to add a bit of body and complexity/sweetness. Use a favourite hop, like Amarillo, Citra, Centennial, Galaxy for an American hop style (though Galaxy is Australian!), or First Gold, EKG etc for an English style, Motueka, Nelson Sauvin, Wakatu, Green Bullet for a NZ flavour, or a nice German hop. Decide whether you want mainly bitterness, to counter the malt, or a lot of hop flavour, by adding most of the hops late in the boil."

As for hop schedule you might want to keep it simple:

i)60min addition
ii)10min addition
iii)possible flame out addition
iv) possible dry hop

Some thing more complicated but with more hop flavour can be acheived by adding most of the hops late in the boil

i)60
ii)15
iii)10
iv)5
v)flame out
vi) dry hop

I haven't done any amounts as you would need to choose which hop and what that hop's AA% is

 

[clibit]

Here's an Amarillo pale ale, Amarillo is a very popular hop, but you can easily use a different hop instead,you just need to adjust the first hop addition if the hops you use have a significantly different Alpha Acid content. This is based on AA of 8.6%:

Batch Size (L): 23.0
Original Gravity (OG): 1.047
Final Gravity (FG): 1.012
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 4.62 %
Bitterness (IBU): 33.5 (Average)

4.000 kg Maris Otter Malt (81.63%)
0.600 kg Wheat Malt (12.24%)
0.300 kg Caramunich or Caramalt, or pale crystal (6.12%)

25.0 g Amarillo Leaf (8.6% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil) (1.1 g/L)
25.0 g Amarillo Leaf (8.6% Alpha) @ 15 Minutes (Boil) (1.1 g/L)
5 g Irish Moss @ 10 Minutes (Boil)
30.0 g Amarillo Leaf (8.6% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Boil) (1.3 g/L)

Single step Infusion mash at 66°C for 60 Minutes.
Fermented at 18-20°C with Safale US-05

Hops I can recommend:

English: First gold, EKG, Northdown, Challenger, Brewer's Gold, Bramling Cross,

American: Centennial, Simcoe, Cascade, Columbus, Amarillo, Citra, Chinook, Summit, Sterling, Apollo.

NZ/Aus: Galaxy, Motueka, Wakatu, Nelson Sauvin, Green Bullet.

European: Bobek, Styrian Goldings, Aurora, Saaz, Tettnang.

 

[GHW]

Amarillo is awesome. Not that I have much experience to compare with. I've done a galaxy which is like old golden hen ( though still conditioning so can't give final verdict) and going to do a citra as my brew after next.

 

[clibit]

Here's an all grain Amarillo/Simcoe hoppy pale ale, requested by Bunglebrewsbeer. I've set the recipe for 10 Litres, so it can easily be adjusted to 5, 15, 20 or 25 litres.

You could make a 20 litre partial mash by doubling everything except the pale malt, and using 2kg of pale malt and 1.3kg of dried malt extract instead of the 2.1kg pale malt. Add the extract after the boil.

Batch Size (L): 10.0
Original Gravity (OG): 1.048
Final Gravity (FG): 1.012
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 4.72 %
Colour (SRM): 6.5 (EBC): 12.8
Bitterness (IBU): 48.8
Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 70
Boil Time (Minutes): 60
Estimated water required 15 litres.

2.100 kg Pale Malt (93.33%)
0.150 kg Crystal 40 (6.67%)

7.0 g Simcoe Leaf (13.2% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
7.0 g Amarillo Leaf (8.6% Alpha) @ 30 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
7.0 g Amarillo Leaf (8.6% Alpha) @ 15 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
7.0 g Simcoe Leaf (13.2% Alpha) @ 15 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
3.0 g Irish Moss @ 15 Minutes (Boil)
7.0 g Amarillo Leaf (8.6% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
7.0 g Simcoe Leaf (13.2% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
7.0 g Amarillo Leaf (8.6% Alpha) @ 3-5 Days (Dry Hop) (0.7 g/L)
7.0 g Simcoe Leaf (13.2% Alpha) @ 3-5 Days (Dry Hop) (0.7 g/L)

3.0 g Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) in the mash water
3.0 g Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) in the boil (start)
3.0 g Irish Moss @ 15 Minutes (Boil)

Single step Infusion at 67°C for 60 Minutes.
Fermented at 18-22°C with Safale US-05 (or yeast you like at appropriate temp)

 

[Mickeywheelspin]

Thanks guys - some great suggestions and good advice on hops. Plenty to think about :)

I'm tempted to do something simple with Marris Otter, Goldings and First Gold. I'll see if I can get Beersmith to behave and have a play :-)

Thanks again.

 

[clibit]

I'm tempted to do something simple with Marris Otter, Goldings and First Gold. I'll see if I can get Beersmith to behave and have a play :-)

Good call - can't go wrong with those. Here's one with First Gold I found a while back that looks and sounds good:

http://perfectpint.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/brew-day-first-gold-esb.html

Tasting notes:

http://perfectpint.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/first-gold-bitter-tasting.html

 

[Mickeywheelspin]

So I've had a play with BeerSmith...

My plan for a SMaSH went a little awry (the temptation to keep adding ingredients is hard to resist!) but I've managed to put something together. Probably aught to mention that I'm it's for BIAB in a 40L URN, 34.52L in with a target 23L into the FV (no sparge or topup water)

I was after something pale and light, not too bitter but with a decent hop flavour...

5.00 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (5.9 EBC) Grain 1 100.0 %
Mash in 66.7 - 75 minute mash - Mash out 75.6

Boil for 60 minutes...

20.00 g Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 2 11.5 IBUs
7.00 g First Gold [7.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 3 6.0 IBUs
1.00 Items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 mins) Fining 4 -
10.00 g Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 5 2.8 IBUs
7.00 g First Gold [7.50 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 6 2.2 IBUs

Yeast... erm... TBC...

Dry Hop...

10.00 g Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 7 0.0 IBUs
5.00 g First Gold [7.50 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 8 0.0 IBUs

Any thoughts, good or otherwise, always welcome...

 

[clibit]

I'd go a bit hoppier - more hops in the boil, increase the total IBUs into the 30s, you've only about 25 there, a bit light I reckon. Maybe increase the First Gold. And I would go 60, 15, 5 and flameout, personally. And dry hop.

 

[cheshirehomebrew]

Agree with clibit on this, more hops are needed

 

[clibit]

Maybe:

20.0 g East Kent Golding Leaf (6.5% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil) (0.9 g/L)
14.0 g First Gold Leaf (8.3% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil) (0.6 g/L)
14.0 g East Kent Golding Leaf (6.5% Alpha) @ 15 Minutes (Boil) (0.6 g/L)
14.0 g First Gold Leaf (8.3% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil) (0.6 g/L)
14.0 g East Kent Golding Leaf (6.5% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (0.6 g/L)
14.0 g First Gold Leaf (8.3% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (0.6 g/L)

Total IBUs approx 34

 

[Mickeywheelspin]

Thanks guys - I was taking my lead from the style guide in the software which suggests 15-28IBU's

In which case I may plumb for....

20.00 g Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 2 11.5 IBUs
12.00 g First Gold [7.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 3 10.3 IBUs
1.00 Items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 mins) Fining 4 -
12.00 g Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 5 3.4 IBUs
10.00 g First Gold [7.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 6 4.3 IBUs
11.00 g Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 7 1.3 IBUs
7.50 g First Gold [7.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 8 1.3 IBUs
10.00 g Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 9 0.0 IBUs
7.00 g First Gold [7.50 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 10 0.0 IBUs

Comes out at 32.1IBU's

Not knowing much about this I'm curious about adding at 0 minutes. I'm planning to transfer to the FV to cool for 24 hours and then pitch. Do I add the hops at flame out and just let them sit in the hot wort for the time it takes to empty the urn as I'll be adding hops into a bag during the boil? I usually go for a 14 day ferment so will dry hop (again, in a bag) at day 9.

 

[clibit]

Adding hops at 0 minutes, you just steep them for a period of time and then take them or strain them out. Usually about 30 minutes. If you are doing 5 mins and dry hops you could skip the 0 minutes hops. I would put some in then though, I'm like that!

 

[rodwha]

Here's a hop utilization chart I've seen. I've changed my hop schedule because of it. My flavoring addition is now 21 mins and my aroma at 7 mins, unless I forgo the aroma addition wanting something a little less hoppy which I'll usually do a 14 min addition.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f1/fd/18/f1fd18ff5b4c05ae68d33426271a59fd.jpg

 

[Bunglebrewsbeer]

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First bits acquired for the next brew. Stash these while the Mrs is at work.

 

[Bunglebrewsbeer]

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These on offer in supermarket. Not tried yet. But reads like one hell of a hop combination.

 

[Bunglebrewsbeer]

I tell a lie. Just necked one. And it's bloody good!!

 

[GHW]

What shop did you get them at bungle? Quite fancy that though a bit loathed to pay for beer at the mo!

 

[Bunglebrewsbeer]

Tesco. Was £4 for 4 cans. Not to bad. And dos taste rather good too.