Extract wheat

[critty]

ok i thought i was hijacking a thread so decided to make a new thread about extract brewing.

I need some advice guys :)

I found this pack of ingredients (http://www.brewuk.co.uk/store/beerkits/wiess-recipe-pack.html) to make Barvarian Weiss. it is apparently based on this recipe:

Bavarian Weissbier. 17.0 lts

OG: 1.045 FG: 1.010 (dependant on yeast used)

2.5 kg Wheat Malt Extract
40 gms Hallertauer Hersbrucker Hops
Yeast: Danstar Munich, Wyeast 3068 or WLP 300

Priming
3.0 grams per 500 ml bottle Priming Sugar

Instructions
Bring 6 litres of water to between 65-70°c, dissolve 900 gms of the Malt Extract in the liquid and bring to the boil. Add 33 gms of Hallertauer Hersbrucker Hops. Boil for 70 mins then add the last 7 gms of Hallertauer Hersbrucker Hops. Boil for a further 5 minutes. Turn off the heat and add the rest of the malt extract.

Add all malt extract at the start of the boil if boiling the full 17 litres.

Add 6 litres of cold water to the fermenting bin and strain the boiled liquid into the water. Top up the fermenting bin to 17 litres, ideally pouring the remaining water through the strainer to extract maximum flavour from the hops. Add the yeast when the liquid has cooled to 16 – 24°c. If in doubt use a thermometer to check the temperature. Take a hydrometer reading and record starting gravity. Move to a suitable area in the house with a temperature of 18 – 22°c for 14 days until fermentation is complete. Bottle, using 3.0 gms of Priming Sugar per 500 ml bottle and wait 2 weeks. Should be served cloudy and at its best drunk young, within 5 weeks.

Now pittsy said it needed some dme. but how much would it need and would i just make like a tin. tins are good but i want to start experimenting. :mrgreen:

i have also read that if you boil a small batch you make a dark coloured beer. is this true.

 

[jonnymorris]

The 2.5kg of wheat malt extract is your DME. Just happens to be a wheat variety. Boil it up as per the recipe.

The again, if Pittsy said to add some DME in addition to the wheat in this recipe, I'd wait 'til he replies. He seems to know what he's talking about.

 

[critty]

Will do. This form of brewing seems a lot more exciting and if it goes well I will try different flavours to add.

 

[jonnymorris]

It is a step up from a kit. You might want to try a recipe that includes some speciality grains too noting this recipe is just DME and hops.

 

[pittsy]

yeah if i was you i'd try steeping some grains maybe 500g of http://www.themaltmiller.co.uk/index.ph ... ductId=166 put in grain bag, heat pan to 66/68c hold this temp for 30 mins remove liquid from pan , pour more liquid over grain at around 76c to wash out more sugar from grains use all liquid collected put in fv and add maybe 1kg of light dried malt but the key to making a good wheat beer is the yeast , if you want this to be good try dried yeast maybe wb 06 £2/£3 but if you want a real german weissbier taste then a liquid yeast like wlp300 and ferment at 18c for 10 ish days

 

[critty]

yeah if i was you i'd try steeping some grains maybe 500g of http://www.themaltmiller.co.uk/index.ph ... ductId=166 put in grain bag, heat pan to 66/68c hold this temp for 30 mins remove liquid from pan , pour more liquid over grain at around 76c to wash out more sugar from grains use all liquid collected put in fv and add maybe 1kg of light dried malt but the key to making a good wheat beer is the yeast , if you want this to be good try dried yeast maybe wb 06 £2/£3 but if you want a real german weissbier taste then a liquid yeast like wlp300 and ferment at 18c for 10 ish days

So whats the difference between the malt you have linked and say this one (http://www.themaltmiller.co.uk/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=255)? Is it to balance out the flavour in the brew? And I deffo will be going with the wlp 300 yeast as I want that banana and cloves finish to the beer. I don't mind paying for quality stuff as I want to reproduce a beer like I have when I visit my brother in law at Heidelberg.

The beer I drink there has a great banana smell with a hint of cloves finish. And is quite pale, compared to the brewferm wheat which is much darker and has a more herb and honey/golden syrup taste and finish. Which is nice but not near the one I actually like. :)

 

[pittsy]

the 1 i linked is a barley malt the 1 you linked is a wheat malt , you already have enough wheat with the dried wheat malt extract so to add you should use a barley malt which that 1 is , in brewing german weiss biers the % of wheat is between 50% and 70% but most often it is 60% wheat and 40% barley (german 2 row) hope this helps :thumb:

 

[critty]

Pittsy you are a scholar and a gent. Cheers for that. I will wait till I get enough bottles to make the 17ltr batch and start it then. If all goes well I will look at doing flavours with it. :

 

[critty]

Actually one quick question.

This (http://www.thehomebrewcompany.co.uk/ind ... ts_id=1273)
or this (http://www.thehomebrewcompany.co.uk/ind ... ts_id=1483)

Just noticed the recipe states to add 900g of the 2.5kg of malt but doesn't say when to add the rest. Anyone got any thoughts on this?

 

[pittsy]

it does mate , re read your own post it says 900g of extract then boil water add hops etc at end of boil add remaining extract :) i would go for dme but thats just me

 

[critty]

Well spank my arse and call me Mary. 4 bottles of homebrew and I completely missed that lol.

 

[Bebop1980]

brewed this recently, now sitting in my cornie.

Tasted good when i was transferring, mine came in at 4.6% abv @ 17liters

Just going to leave a few week then get stuck in.

 

[critty]

Cool. Well I just ordered the malt that pittsy recommended. So looking forward to it. Was it an easy process?

 

[Bebop1980]

Yeah it was no probs, as the way discribe above but if you use grains just make sure you steap them at the recommended temp for 30 mins then add and continue as normal.

 

[critty]

Cool. The malts will be coming tomorrow from Malt Miller along with some more hops, I plan to start keeping a stash of stuff.

The yeast that comes with the pack it is it dried? Just don't know if I should set the yeast off a couple of days before hand to get a good colony going. I am going to get the wlp300 yeast because I want that banana taste to it. Looking at the pics on the site it would appear it comes in a vial.

Actually could I make the starter from the wheat dme? if so how much water and dme would I need to get an healthy colony going.

 

[pittsy]

wlp300 is a liquid yeast , now at £6 plus thats a lot of cash but if you get a demi and boil some 8 odd pints of water with 500g of dme (light best but it don't matter too much ) pitch yeast in it (when cooled) leave for 5 days then get some cheap little bottles (say 330ml) then give the demi a good mix and put all into little bottles you now have some 12 ish bottles that are all ready to be made into starters put em in fridge(£6 ish plus £4 ish divide by 12 you got each 1 for around £1 each ish) now 2 to 3 days before brewing remove 1 bottle from fridge 3 or so hours before using boil a pint of water with 100g dme pitch bottle and you have 1 yeast starter ready for brewing repeat 8 pint process when your down to your last 2 bottles making 12 more etc :thumb: or just pitch vial and don't bother but you got to buy another next time

 

[BrewDan]

Could you do the above with shop bought bottle conditioned ales? I tried keeping the yeast from my last brew but must have done it wrong as it stank and went off

 

[critty]

wlp300 is a liquid yeast , now at £6 plus thats a lot of cash but if you get a demi and boil some 8 odd pints of water with 500g of dme (light best but it don't matter too much ) pitch yeast in it (when cooled) leave for 5 days then get some cheap little bottles (say 330ml) then give the demi a good mix and put all into little bottles you now have some 12 ish bottles that are all ready to be made into starters put em in fridge(£6 ish plus £4 ish divide by 12 you got each 1 for around £1 each ish) now 2 to 3 days before brewing remove 1 bottle from fridge 3 or so hours before using boil a pint of water with 100g dme pitch bottle and you have 1 yeast starter ready for brewing repeat 8 pint process when your down to your last 2 bottles making 12 more etc :thumb: or just pitch vial and don't bother but you got to buy another next time

Cheers Pittsy :thumb:

Just got my hops and malt today. Oh my word the hops smell wonderful, couldn't resist opening the packet as I have airtight jars. But noticed the malt has come crushed. I assume this won't have any adverse affects as one it goes into the muslin it will be all good.

 

[pittsy]

wlp300 is a liquid yeast , now at £6 plus thats a lot of cash but if you get a demi and boil some 8 odd pints of water with 500g of dme (light best but it don't matter too much ) pitch yeast in it (when cooled) leave for 5 days then get some cheap little bottles (say 330ml) then give the demi a good mix and put all into little bottles you now have some 12 ish bottles that are all ready to be made into starters put em in fridge(£6 ish plus £4 ish divide by 12 you got each 1 for around £1 each ish) now 2 to 3 days before brewing remove 1 bottle from fridge 3 or so hours before using boil a pint of water with 100g dme pitch bottle and you have 1 yeast starter ready for brewing repeat 8 pint process when your down to your last 2 bottles making 12 more etc :thumb: or just pitch vial and don't bother but you got to buy another next time

Cheers Pittsy :thumb:

Just got my hops and malt today. Oh my word the hops smell wonderful, couldn't resist opening the packet as I have airtight jars. But noticed the malt has come crushed. I assume this won't have any adverse affects as one it goes into the muslin it will be all good.

if it wasn't crushed you'd have to crush it so all good any little bits (powder) will be fine you just done want husks and grain left in pan when boiling as this will produce tannins which ain't good , don't worry all will be well

 

[pittsy]

Could you do the above with shop bought bottle conditioned ales? I tried keeping the yeast from my last brew but must have done it wrong as it stank and went off

yes but first you would need to make a starter with 100g and 1 pint of water (boil etc then cool ) then when fermented then you can use this liquid to make many starters like above :thumb: