Electric cars.

[Chippy_Tea]

Maybe it is the huge mistrust we have for governments telling porkie pie's

What lies have the government told us that would put a person looking for a new car off BEV?

 

[Nicks90]

Its not misinformation the battery in a 7 year old bev that has done avarage milage is going to give lower range and is going to need replacing at some unknown point in the future this is at the moment a major reason people will not buy them as the battery will cost more than you pay for the car, a 7 year old diesel ice will have many more miles in it I know which one I would choose.
Before you have a dig at my view on this remember I have posted several times in the thread that I would own a EV if I could charge at home.

Not this old chestnut again.

Tell me again how much a typical 2.0l turbo diesel new engine in a 10 year old BMW, Merc, VW, ford, JLR will cost again? Oh yes, probably the thick end of £15,000

Oooorrrrr, when the head gasket / turbo / [insert component that regular fails as an engine ages here] a garage strips the engine down and just fixes the broken bit.


Wow, imagine the leap of faith to understand that a battery pack can be dropped out from under an EV and the failed cells replaced and it's sealed up and bolted back in

And as for the drop in range.... Can you imagine the horror of someone buying an ice car and finding some of the 180 horses it had when new have died and it won't do 68mpg combined like the manufacturer says, but just about manages 40mpg. Devastated, ruined Christmas, 'compo face' story in the daily wail

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Not this old chestnut again.

Tell me again how much a typical 2.0l turbo diesel new engine in a 10 year old BMW, Merc, VW, ford, JLR will cost again? Oh yes, probably the thick end of £15,000

What a stupid argument, are all diesel engines ****** at 10 years old no but most EV batteries will be on their way out and range will be a lot less than it was when new and this is why people are wary of buying used EV.

Why choose the most expensive brands to prove your point the majority of us don't drive thise and if looked after a diesel car engine will go 150,000 miles with with no problem by that time the rest of the car will be showing its age so it's not the engine that will finish the car off how many people would put a brand new engine in a 150,000 with other milage related issues, if owners were determined to keep the vehicle a used engine would be a few hundred pounds not thousands?

 

[Rodcx500z]

What lies have the government told us that would put a person looking for a new car off BEV?

They tell lie's about everything so why should we believe all this net zero *****, yes the climate needs attention but the speed they are doing it is unreal

 

[Northern_Brewer]

Its not misinformation the battery in a 7 year old bev that has done avarage milage is going to give lower range

Bu not that much - after 7 years it will a) still be under warranty and b) still have close to 90% of the original range. Also older cars tend to do less mileage.

and is going to need replacing at some unknown point in the future

But it's not - modern batteries will typically last the average lifetime of the car, and still have >80% range. It's a classic bit of FUD that doesn't relate to modern batteries.

9 million of us have no choice but to drive one as we cannot own a BEV even if we want one,

So does this mean you can't have an ICE car if you don't have a petrol station at home?

There are companies that provide on street charging where there is a place outside every house to plug a charger into but like public chargers in car patks etc they'll be too expensive so no gain over ice.

Except the AA figures show that even with recent declines in fuel prices and using the more expensive PAYG rates of public chargers, public charging can still be cheaper than ICE. The balance is only going to shift one way.

And you end up with a more reliable car that needs less servicing, and doesn't contribute to the ~30,000 deaths from particulate pollution in the UK each year in the way that ICE cars do.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

They tell lie's about everything so why should we believe all this net zero *****, yes the climate needs attention but the speed they are doing it is unreal

I see, I thought you meant lies about EV

 

[Chippy_Tea]

So does this mean you can't have an ICE car if you don't have a petrol station at home?

The fanboy arguments are becoming pathetic, it has already been proved you cannot run an EV for less than an diesel car if you cannot charge at home but if course you knew that.

I also call BS on you battery life figures a battery in a EV that has done 150,000 miles is not going to have 90 percent of its life left

 

[Rodcx500z]

Here is one with incentives https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news...&cvid=e27c23848f2945c6abe5b4b0171b5beb&ei=158

 

[old dog new tricks]

The fear about batteries is linked to older batteries without thermal management, The MG5 is great example many have been used for taxis and covered over 200k and working perfectly.

My Kona has 8 year 100k warranty, i am happy with that as its clear it will go much further no way Hyundia would make this mistake again with batteries.

I have this on PCP deal i hand it back at guess what just over 8 years and planned 110k miles so I see no real risk, do I think this car will scrap then well no and the projected value thinks not either.

If these batteries are not abused ie left in low states of charge or high states of charge and not used, AC charging is perceived to be kinder and as most will be home charging this ticks this box. DC charging is not bad but not every day.

Also the modern batteries have a considerable buffer that you can not use to protect from over charging.

lets not forget scale of economy as more EVs are made so will more batteries the price will reduce over time, also the idea that the entire battery needs replaced is old school thinking, in commercial applications you don;t ditch the entire battery you replace the cells as they lose performance.

Regards off street parking there needs to be off peak pricing and more public chargers.

I have seen lamp posy chargers with 2 long extendable leads trialled, something like this has potential.

In my area Dennis who make buses are trialling contactless charging buried in major bus stances, they stop for 20 mins to get a boost during the day.

We have not scratched the surface of charging options its a joke in UK the public network is not for purpose, expensive unreliable and poor coverage compared to rest of Europe and beyond.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Except the AA figures show that even with recent declines in fuel prices and using the more expensive PAYG rates of public chargers, public charging can still be cheaper than ICE. The balance is only going to shift one way.

That's not the way I read it.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

The fear about batteries is linked to older batteries without thermal management,

A good point but I am discussing used BEV which are now flooding the market the old ones who's batteries are out of warranty are not going to be bought for the reasons I have gone into above.

 

[old dog new tricks]

MG5 143k miles 91% battery

 

[Larse]

Its not misinformation the battery in a 7 year old bev that has done avarage milage is going to give lower range and is going to need replacing at some unknown point in the future

What's not misinformation? Here's a (not exhaustive) list. Batteries HAVE to be replaced. You can't make long journeys. Batteries catch fire. You'll run out of charge on the road. You'll run out your battery while stopped on the motorway. Hydrogen cars are a better alternative. Lithium is rare. There won't be enough electricity to charge all the BEVs, etc. etc.

the battery will cost more than you pay for the car

That's completely wrong. Cost of batteries is dropping all the time. The current average cost of a complete battery in the UK is ~£7k. Don't know of any BEV with a new price less than that. Or even less than double. And that doesn't account for module replacement which is far cheaper. Replacement modules can cost less than a grand.

Before you have a dig at my view on this remember I have posted several times in the thread that I would own a EV if I could charge at home.

You say that all the time, yet you then say this

a 7 year old diesel ice will have many more miles in it I know which one I would choose.

That depends on the mileage. I personally wouldn't buy a 7 year old diesel with over 150k on the clock. And that's not abnormal mileage.

9 million of us have no choice but to drive one as we cannot own a BEV even if we want one, that figure could be many millions more if houses had more than one car which many do now..

I've already proven that using public charging is equivalent in cost per mile to the most economical micro-diesel.

Do you have figures for the % of cars in the UK that set on fire every year I imagine it's a minute figure.

More than 100k each year according to Suffolk County Council.

 

[Larse]

That's not the way I read it.

I did this a couple of pages ago. A Tesla model 3 that averages 22 kWh per 100 miles will cost 10.8p per mile compared to the 1.3L micro-diesel that costs 11p per mile.

That's working off the 49p/kWh from the AA EV recharge report. 22kWh x 0.49p = £10.78 = 10.78p / mile. And doesn't account for cheaper subscription rates.

Edit: And the 1.3L micro-diesel's economy will fall off a cliff when you put it on a motorway at 70mph or add a few passengers.

 

[Larse]

They tell lie's about everything so why should we believe all this net zero *****, yes the climate needs attention but the speed they are doing it is unreal

You're dismissing all the climate science and evidence world wide because "the government"?

 

[Rodcx500z]

You're dismissing all the climate science and evidence world wide because "the government"?

Tells lie after lie, i rest my case https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...&cvid=e27c23848f2945c6abe5b4b0171b5beb&ei=401 she lied to cover her own mistake