Does moving to a 2nd FV help clearing

[Jeltz]

The primary I intended using had a duff tap seal so I used the FV with the little bottler tap attached. After a week I (and having got a new seal) I racked off and dry hopped so as to leave the bottling bucket free for bottling day.

In doing so my beer has cleared very well already, was it transferring off the trub which caused this or just luck?

 

[PD]

Depends on who you listen to Nic....
I'm one who use's a 2nd vessel. and like the results. I believe it helps. It certainly helps by making me leave it for several days longer before bottling.

 

[Good Ed]

Imagine you have some cloudy liquid, so you leave it to clear, which it will given time, but then you transfer the liquid that has started to clear to another vessel, this results in it getting all mixed up again, it then starts the process of clearing again.

It's up to you, some do some don't, I don't if I can help it.

 

[graysalchemy]

For me its a way of minimising infection as well as clearing. Disagree with Good Ed as one reason for moving is to reduce the amount of sediment so that when it is clear you don't have a big load of sediment on the bottom which could get disturbed. If you rack during fermentation or just after the main fermentation has subsided you will get rid of all the break material which doesn't compact as well, leaving mainly yeast left to drop out which will compact. :grin:

But as PD says its horses for courses and like with anything there are pro's and con's to everything you just have to weigh up which is best for you.

:thumb:

 

[artyb]

i leave mine in the fv for 3 weeks undisturbed, :shock:
then keg or bottle, its always as clear as a bell... :party:

why make it more difficult... :whistle:

 

[PD]

if you rack off into a 2nd fv, your yeast cake is available sooner if you want to re use it....

 

[graysalchemy]

Risk of infection for starters. I have lost to many brews to them being left in dirty FV's with crud around the sides.

Would you seriously leave your beer in this

Also going on from what PD has posted the yeast taken from the first FV is the yeast with least genetic drift, unlike the yeast from that in the secondary which is the smaller particles which are having difficulty flocculating and clearing.

 

[eggman]

i leave mine in the fv for 3 weeks undisturbed, :shock:
then keg or bottle, its always as clear as a bell... :party:

why make it more difficult... :whistle:

Same here :thumb:
That's not to say it's the right way to do it but i have done 40+ brews this way and never lost one to infection or had a cloudy beer
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[Good Ed]

ah the great secondary debate, where would be without it, how did the stout turn out btw Alistair? bloody lovley I bet

 

[graysalchemy]

Absolutely fantastic pity i lost a gallon :lol: :lol:

 

[Good Ed]

Absolutely fantastic pity i lost a gallon :lol: :lol:

:rofl:

 

[Will12283]

Depends on who you listen to Nic....
I'm one who use's a 2nd vessel. and like the results. I believe it helps. It certainly helps by making me leave it for several days longer before bottling.

Do you batch prime or prime the bottles then PD?

 

[PD]

at the moment I bottle prime, only because its what I've always done, just a habit.
Never seemed much of a problem with 19 litre brews, however now I will hopefully be making larger brews I can see me eventually moving on to bulk priming, which will probably mean kicking the 2nd fv idea in to touch. We will see.
Its all personal preferences as long as you give....time in the bucket and time in the bottle....

 

[graysalchemy]

I drop into a secondry and batch prime by dropping again into a clean FV on bottling day with the sugar disolved in a little boiling water and put into the bottom of the fv from which you will bottle. Works well gets off the maximum yeast and mixes in th epriiming sugars to boot. As long as you use a long siphon tube to the bottom of the fv then you won't have any problem with oxidation, just don't splash it about. :thumb:

 

[fbsf]

I've tried both, and the only time I've had a hazy beer was when I transferred to secondary rather than straight to corny keg or bottling bucket from primary as I normally do.

But then again, that was with a yeast I hadn't used before (Windsor) and I've also never had an eruption like GA's that necessitated moving it for fear of infection!

 

[LeedsBrewer]

I drop into a secondry and batch prime by dropping again into a clean FV on bottling day with the sugar disolved in a little boiling water and put into the bottom of the fv from which you will bottle. Works well gets off the maximum yeast and mixes in th epriiming sugars to boot. As long as you use a long siphon tube to the bottom of the fv then you won't have any problem with oxidation, just don't splash it about. :thumb:

+1

 

[Jeltz]

Well it seems a bit of a can of worms!

I will have to experiment and see what works best for me.

Thanks for all the input. :thumb:

 

[graysalchemy]

To drop or not to drop is that one subject which always divides. :lol: :lol:

 

[anthonyUK]

Well it seems a bit of a can of worms!

I will have to experiment and see what works best for me.

That is the best thing as the choice is sometimes process dependant.
If you are transferring to a pressure barrel then is it required but when bottling I do what GA mentions and transfer to batch prime.
The biggest change you can make to assist in clearing is to cool the FV if you can.

 

[Kinleycat]

From the sediment POV i was really surprised how what little sediment i had in the bottles was good and compact at the bottom.
I used 1 litre pet bottles and decanted into my new glass pitcher from asda £4.50 (other supermarkets are available) and disturbed next to nothing.
As for the beer - it was very clear.
Forgot to mention i didnt move to a second FV just straight into the bottles :thumb: