Crystals in Youngs grape concentrate

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I originally assumed these to be sugar but are in fact tartrate salts. In cold storage conditions, these salts form from the tartaric acid in the grape concentrate and the acidity is reduced. They have no taste, colour or smell but are best removed as they may form again in the finished wine, particularly when chilled. Their Definitive range (labelled 'grape juice compound') also contains an unspecified amount of glucose syrup which apparantly contains some unfermentable sugars, so you cannot get a truly dry wine. The gjc itself, produced in Spain, has a brix rating of 60 (60g sugar per 100 ml) so when reconstituted with water at the normal rate of 1:3 would produce a wine of 9% abv., hence the need for the glucose syrup and extra sugar required. The net content is 900g., 700 ml by volume. Assuming 20% glucose syrup (my guess) this amounts to 560 ml of pure gjc. Reconstituted, this would give 2.240 litres of grape juice, or half a gallon. The rest of your gallon of wine is made up of glucose syrup, water and sugar (the latter not included, nor indeed yeast, finings, etc.). You can get pure grape juice for less than £1 a litre (Aldi 85p). It won't give you a great wine, but then neither will the Definitive compound, at greater cost.
Their Wine Enhancer is pure grape, but also has these crystals. Both products are sold in metal cans with no packaging and are therefore more likely to be affected by cold, hence the crystals.
 
Hi, apparently the tartrate shows instability in the wine, and can be induced by cooling to produce them. The book I've got (growing vines to make wine- Nick Poulter) tells you to chemically stop them from forming by using 0.5g of metataric acid per gallon (this should stop them for approx 18 months) Don't know if this is any help!
 
Hi, Not at the moment! SWMBO has given it the green light (slight snag is she's got flowers covering every inch of soil, fence and house wall)!! Another good book is vines and wines in a small garden -James Page-Roberts. He covers vines that need no spraying etc, so ideal for the more 'green' amongst us! Rather than the more commercial varieties. He also covers how to grow a vine as a fountain prune in a pot. (might be my best bet, as I can get cuttings from an unnamed variety from a relative).
 
A vine need not take up much soil space. Using cheap metal arches from Wilkinsons, I have cultivated a vine which extends over the garden path without compromising the adjacent flower bed.
 
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A vine need not take up much soil space. Using cheap metal arches from Wilkinsons, I have cultivated a vine which extends over the garden path without compromising the adjacent flower bed.
The adjacent flowerbed? The whole garden is one giant flower bed! and the patio is covered in pots full of cuttings! :lol: But Swmbo is going to move some plants (eventually)! to give some room (she loves grapes)!
 
OK, point taken. All I am saying is that a vine requires a small hole to get started. It goes down deep and doesn't interfere with its neighbours. Clematis, roses, ceanothus and honeysuckle thrive on the structure and when they have died down, I get grapes. It's a win/win situation.
Personally I enjoy the shade it provides as it spreads aloft and over. I have no plans to die prematurely of skin cancer, unlike a dear friend of mine, who liked to bask in the sun.
 

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