Chaucer brew

[Twostage]

I was stocking up at the local HBS on friday and spotted they had Pilgrim and Progress hops, obviously I bought them.

So I'm going to make a Pilgrim and Progress brew and call it something to do with Chaucer.

All I need now is a recipe :-)

 

[HebridesRob]

Excellent, love it :mrgreen:

 

[brisboy]

If you're referring to "the pilgrim's progress" I think you'll find that's John Bunyan, not Chaucer. Unless you mean something else, then carry on. 😁



Edit: A quick google reveals that pilgrims featured prominently in Chaucer's work. Clearly I need to read some Chaucer and catch up.

 

[HebridesRob]

Have you put any thought into it yet?

http://www.britishhops.org.uk/pilgrim-2/
"Pilgrim has a deeply fruity, spicy, yet unusually pleasant, lemon/grapefruit aroma with flavour characteristics including verdant, berries and pears."
"As a bittering hop it provides a refreshing, full-bodied and rounded bitterness."

http://www.britishhops.org.uk/progress/
"The aroma characteristics include sweet grass, floral, mint and earthy flavour tones."
"Full-bodied and well rounded, describes Progress’ bittering characteristics."

Would it seem like a cop-out to use say, Progress for bittering and Pilgrim for late additions? I think it might.

 

[clibit]

Pilgrim is mainly used for bittering, but can be used as a late hop too, Progress is all purpose. I reckon I'd mix them and used them both early and late in the boil, but you could do anything.

 

[Dutto]

How about making up your own brew and calling it "The Miller's Ale"? :whistle: :whistle:

 

[HebridesRob]

Here's a literal interpretation of your brief.

We're going with Chaucer. If Chaucer drank any beer with hops in, it would have been imported from Bremen/Hamburg rather than brewed in England and it would probably have been the Koyt beer style since, it seems, this was what they were exporting.

More hops than you'd expect but, you know, it's the point really.

The Miller's Ail
O.G: 1065. F.G: 1013
Grist: (EBC: 13)
3.250 Kg malted oats (52%)
2 Kg Dark wheat malt (32%)
1 Kg Vienna Malt (16%)
Hop Bill: (IBU: 38)
60 mins 20g each, Pilgrim & Progress.
15 mins 20g of each
Flame out: 20g of each.
Edit: Yeast: ale yeast (I input Danstar Nottingham)

I Dare You. :twisted:

 

[Twostage]

If you're referring to "the pilgrim's progress" I think you'll find that's John Bunyan, not Chaucer. Unless you mean something else, then carry on. 😁



Edit: A quick google reveals that pilgrims featured prominently in Chaucer's work. Clearly I need to read some Chaucer and catch up.

You're right. My memory let me down - Chaucer is Canterbury Tales.

So it will be a Bunyan beer :-)

 

[Twostage]

Here's a literal interpretation of your brief.

We're going with Chaucer. If Chaucer drank any beer with hops in, it would have been imported from Bremen/Hamburg rather than brewed in England and it would probably have been the Koyt beer style since, it seems, this was what they were exporting.

More hops than you'd expect but, you know, it's the point really.

The Miller's Ail
O.G: 1065. F.G: 1013
Grist: (EBC: 13)
3.250 Kg malted oats (52%)
2 Kg Dark wheat malt (32%)
1 Kg Vienna Malt (16%)
Hop Bill: (IBU: 38)
60 mins 20g each, Pilgrim & Progress.
15 mins 20g of each
Flame out: 20g of each.
Edit: Yeast: ale yeast (I input Danstar Nottingham)

I Dare You. :twisted:

Interesting, malted oats eh ?

I'm always up for a challenge. I'll look into this :-)

 

[HebridesRob]

Interesting, malted oats eh ?

I'm always up for a challenge. I'll look into this :-)

Just.Don't.Blame.Me.

 

[MyQul]

I had a discussion with HisDudeness a few months back about making a 'Pilgrims Progress'

http://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=57766&highlight=Progress

 

[Twostage]

Looks possible :-

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/j.2050-0416.2011.tb00487.x/pdf

 

[HebridesRob]

Looks possible :-

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/j.2050-0416.2011.tb00487.x/pdf

More reading?
http://witteklavervier.nl/us/history/koyt-beer


http://witteklavervier.nl/us/beer/koyt-kuit-kuyt

 

[Dutto]

Looks possible :-

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/j.2050-0416.2011.tb00487.x/pdf

A fascinating read for me, especially with regard to how malted oats are acceptable to people with Coeliac disease!

I've got a great mate who loved his beer until he discovered (about 10 years ago) that he suffered from Coeliac disease; so I would love to surprise him with a home-brewed beer that he could drink sometime around this Christmas!!

This site sells malted oats at £1.60 a kilo ...

http://www.themaltmiller.co.uk/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=23

... so if you could come up with a home-brewed beer recipe and method that would suit anyone with Coeliac disease I reckon you would be a hero to a fair number of people around here! :thumb: :thumb:

PS

The Miller's Tale is one of Chaucer's Canterbury Tales!! :whistle:

 

[clibit]

A fascinating read for me, especially with regard to how malted oats are acceptable to people with Coeliac disease!

I've got a great mate who loved his beer until he discovered (about 10 years ago) that he suffered from Coeliac disease; so I would love to surprise him with a home-brewed beer that he could drink sometime around this Christmas!!

If you buy Clarityferm, a Whitelabs product, it removes nearly all the gluten during fermentation, making a regular grain beer suitable for all but the most sensitive coeliacs.

Online home brew shops sell it, around £2.50 a time, does a five gallon brew.

 

[HebridesRob]

A fascinating read for me, especially with regard to how malted oats are acceptable to people with Coeliac disease!

I've got a great mate who loved his beer until he discovered (about 10 years ago) that he suffered from Coeliac disease; so I would love to surprise him with a home-brewed beer that he could drink sometime around this Christmas!!

This site sells malted oats at �£1.60 a kilo ...

http://www.themaltmiller.co.uk/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=23

... so if you could come up with a home-brewed beer recipe and method that would suit anyone with Coeliac disease I reckon you would be a hero to a fair number of people around here! :thumb: :thumb:

PS

The Miller's Tale is one of Chaucer's Canterbury Tales!! :whistle:

You're right, it was really interesting. The method is more or less in the text. A Beta Glucan rest, a protein rest and a conversion mash, though. I guess protein haze would just have to be accepted though. The next time I order some ingredients I'm going to order some malted oats just for the hell of it. Oat beer doesn't look like a panacea for people with Coeliac disease though. I can't believe our suppliers would be able to guarantee pure oats.

https://www.coeliac.org.uk/gluten-free-diet-and-lifestyle/gf-diet/oats/
http://www.csaceliacs.org/guide_to_oats.jsp

 

[Dutto]

If you buy Clarityferm, a Whitelabs product, it removes nearly all the gluten during fermentation, making a regular grain beer suitable for all but the most sensitive coeliacs.

Online home brew shops sell it, around ��£2.50 a time, does a five gallon brew.

Thanks for that. I will check it out. :thumb: :thumb:

I'm not sure about my mates "sensitivity" but I think it's quite high.

In a restaurant that advertised "gluten free meals" he sent back a bowl of soup that arrived complete with bread croutons! (You couldn't make it up could you!)

He subsequently suspected that all they did was remove the croutons from the soup and bring it back to the table for him to eat.

Why? He spent the following two days either throwing up or sat on a toilet.

Thanks again, I will cautiously enquire about his level of sensitivity. :thumb: :thumb:

 

[clibit]

Sounds bad. Here are the results of a brewing experiment using clarityferm, which showed only minor traces of gluten in the finished beer...

http://beerandwinejournal.com/clarity-ferm-iii/

 

[Dutto]

Here's a thought ...

... with Clarityferm as the yeast (as per clibit) and malted oats as the grain for a brew then the presence of gluten should be absolutely minimised.

Also, if I did do a malted oats brew with Clarityferm yeast, does anyone know where to go to test if the finished beer could be classed as "gluten free"?

I love a project! :thumb: :thumb:

 

[Dutto]

WOW! I just read the link posted above and was much encourage by the conclusion ...

"When ranked by taste, beers treated with Clarity Ferm often surpassed untreated beers."​

... especially when combined with the following ...

"Performing a step mash (with a protein rest) was not found to have any impact on gluten levels."​

... so it appears that even a numpty like me could brew a gluten free beer!!

"The findings of this research show that using Clarity Ferm to reduce gluten in beer effectively
eliminates gluten, gluten fragments, and other similar proteins."​

Many thanks for the input!! :thumb: :thumb: