Cascadian apa grainbill

[johnny_dove]

Have pale ale malt, munich, caramel malt, pils and wheat malt at home. Will hop with chinook, centennial and cascade. Around 50-60 ibus. Abv around 5%. Want to be able to drink in front of telly without getting smashed:grin: Want 25 litres in the fv.

I like a bit of maltyness. I know some say hoppy beers should have less malt flavour but better for me if they compliment each other. Too boring malt bill and i could as well drink grapefruit juice:grin:

Suggestions for a nice grainbill would be much appreciated!

 

[RobWalker]

Looks like you're set with those ingredients. Chinook for bittering will add a nice pungency to it. Maybe go for a 67c-68c mash if you're after some malt body!

 

[Ceejay]

Can you explain what you mean by a Cascadian APA? Is this like an APA style, from the proposed Cascadian country, so,like a West Coast APA?

For a malty APA, I'd go something like

85% Pale malt
5% Munich
5% Wheat
5% Cara

If it is a west coast style you're after, make sure your late hop additions are big enough to assert hop flavour and aroma.

 

[boozy_shoes]

I love this style of beer. I made a strong version the other day. But for a 4-5%

3.5kg Maris Otter
1kg Munich
250g Wheat
200g Caramalt

first wort hop it with what would be your Chinook 60 minute addition it helps get the flavour in there.
Hop burst the final 5-10 minutes with loads centennial /cascade an addition in at flame out too to steep while you cool your wort and forget to keep about 10-20g of each for dry.

If you want to make it a bit redder and add more of a sweetness for your hops to stand up against 200g of dark crystal malt helps.

 

[johnny_dove]

Thanks guys! Intended hopped with a selection of hops from the cascadian region. Should be same as west coast style:) Would it be ok to increase munich and/or sub some pale ale for pils? Only have 2 kgs of pale ale malt :grin: Mash temp seems good.

 

[boozy_shoes]

Yea that would be fine, the pils might not have quite as much flavour as the pale malt, but the munich in the recipe will make up for that.

 

[johnny_dove]

Will sub some pale ale for a mix of pils and munich. Thanks for your input on the hops as well. Like your thinking boozyshoes. A few q's on the hops - fwh Palmer says to use low alpha hops for fwh. Counterintuitive but pretty sure that's what he says. Had planned to fwh with cascade then add chinook for 60 min boil. Perhaps chinook as you suggested? How high can you go in ibus for a 5 abv?

 

[Ceejay]

Sounds grand mate. IBUs wise, it's really kind of up to you and how bitter you like it. I'd normally shoot for a .80 to 1.0 IBU to OG ratio in an APA. You're probably looking at around 1.048 OG to get 5% ABV, so anything between 40 IBU and 48 IBU. With it being quite malty, I reckon the higher end :twisted:

Don't forget some late hop additions. Like boozy_shoes said, If you're showcasing the cascadian hops, I reckon you want at least 100g of good aroma hops (Cascade, Centennial, Amarillo, Citra) in the last 15 minutes, with a good charge at flameout. Cool quickly to lock in the volatile flavour and aroma oils.

 

[Good Ed]

Can you explain what you mean by a Cascadian APA? Is this like an APA style, from the proposed Cascadian country, so,like a West Coast APA?

A bit of info from Mitch Steele's book, a true Cascadian Ale is a dark ale, (not a "black IPA"), which has some dark malt flavours and is hoppy, but does not have huge hop aromas, nor that bitter or fully black, brewed in Oregon, using Pacific Northwest hops, ie Cascade, etc. Not that I've tasted it but an example is Deschutes Hop in the Dark, which interestingly they brew by only cold steeping the dark grains (chocolate and black malt) and then step mashing the other grains (pale, oats, crystal), hops used are Nugget, Citra, Cascade, Centennial & Northern Brewer, no details but 10% at start of boil, 20% at 30mins and 70% at flame out; 65IBU & 6.5% ABV

 

[johnny_dove]

Yes, black ipa is a contradictive name since PA is pale ale...haha. That's why they came up with cascadian dark ale. Dark ale with hops from the cascadian mountains. I don't want to make a dark ale this time.

Perhaps i could call it Cascadian Golden Ale?:lol:

Btw, specialty malts mostly don't need mashing. If cold steeped on the side they become less bitter, not astringent and you don't risk getting ph in your mash too low if you have soft water.

 

[Good Ed]

yes I know, although it is likely that Cascadian Dark Ale will become a recognised style, also I wouldn't want to go upsetting people on here talking about "Black IPA's" :grin:

 

[johnny_dove]

Something like this, will brew it tomorrow Will probably not do a full volume biab even though I have the equipment for it. Got very high alkalinity in my water somewhere between 250-300 mg/l... Have boiled and decanted some of it but not sure how effective...

BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Johnny Dove's APA
Brewer: JD
Asst Brewer:
Style: American Pale Ale
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30,0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 36,16 l
Post Boil Volume: 30,16 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 27,00 l
Bottling Volume: 24,00 l
Estimated OG: 1,054 SG
Estimated Color: 15,2 EBC
Estimated IBU: 52,0 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72,00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 77,3 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
2,00 kg Pale Ale (2-row) (6,0 EBC) Grain 2 30,0 %
2,00 kg Munich (20,0 EBC) Grain 1 30,0 %
0,33 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (39,4 EBC) Grain 5 4,9 %
2,00 kg Pilsner (4,5 EBC) Grain 3 30,0 %
15,00 g Chinook [13,00 %] - Boil 60,0 min Hop 7 18,0 IBUs
10,00 g Centennial [10,00 %] - Boil 20,0 min Hop 9 5,6 IBUs
15,00 g Centennial [10,00 %] - Boil 5,0 min Hop 12 2,8 IBUs
15,00 g Centennial [10,00 %] - Boil 10,0 min Hop 10 5,0 IBUs
12,00 g Chinook [13,00 %] - Boil 30,0 min Hop 8 11,1 IBUs
10,00 g Cascade [5,50 %] - First Wort 90,0 min Hop 6 6,0 IBUs
10,00 g Cascade [5,50 %] - Boil 1,0 min Hop 14 0,2 IBUs
10,00 g Centennial [10,00 %] - Boil 1,0 min Hop 15 0,4 IBUs
10,00 g Cascade [5,50 %] - Boil 10,0 min Hop 11 1,8 IBUs
10,00 g Cascade [5,50 %] - Boil 5,0 min Hop 13 1,0 IBUs
1,0 pkg SafAle English Ale (DCL/Fermentis #S-04) Yeast 16 -
0,34 kg Wheat Malt, Pale (Weyermann) (3,9 EBC) Grain 4 5,1 %


Mash Schedule: BIAB, Medium Body
Total Grain Weight: 6,67 kg
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Saccharification Add 40,24 l of water at 70,0 C 66,7 C 75 min
Mash Out Heat to 75,6 C over 7 min 75,6 C 10 min

Sparge: Remove grains, and prepare to boil wort
Notes:
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Perhaps some of the Centennial for the 60 minute addition as well?