British Hops

[daniele]

Archer is really nice. What are you planning to brew?

A clone of pirate pale but I've not Ernest hops!!

 

[MashBag]

i don't know if it's a good substitute!

UK cascade?

Whats the recipe. We are running a bit blind here.

 

[The Baron]

If it's a fruity pale ale try CML Tropical England which is blend of all English hops including most of the ones mentioned

 

[Brew_DD2]

If it's a fruity pale ale try CML Tropical England which is blend of all English hops including most of the ones mentioned

That's a good shout.

 

[tigertim]

Whats the recipe. We are running a bit blind here.

It's earlier in this thread - Hazelwood Brewery posted a link to it in comment 3

That said, I've queued it up to brew later this year, but I'm struggling to achieve the OG quoted based on the ingredients and quantities, assuming an optimistic efficiency of 80%. What am I doing wrong?

I seem to get around 1.042 instead of 1.050.

 

[Hazelwood Brewery]

It's earlier in this thread - Hazelwood Brewery posted a link to it in comment 3

That said, I've queued it up to brew later this year, but I'm struggling to achieve the OG quoted based on the ingredients and quantities, assuming an optimistic efficiency of 80%. What am I doing wrong?

I seem to get around 1.042 instead of 1.050.

I think my efficiency is about 83%

Do you measure the gravity at each stage of the mash and at pre-boil? If so what are you getting?

Do you mash for the same duration as my recipe - 80mins@68 + 30mins@72 + 20mins@77?

I use a fairly fine grist, a more coarse grist may not achieve the same gravity in the same time. Do you crush your own grain or buy it pre-crushed?

 

[tigertim]

Do you measure the gravity at each stage of the mash and at pre-boil? If so what are you getting?

Do you mash for the same duration as my recipe - 80mins@68 + 30mins@72 + 20mins@77?

I essentially just put the recipe into the Grainfather app, including the three-step mash

I'm used to it being a bit fickle. It always seems to calculate IBUs differently from everything else (I use Tinseth and have configured it as such, but it always seems to disagree with pretty much every other software) but it normally doesn't get the sugar calculation this far out!

 

[tigertim]

Thinking about it, when I'm using the Grainfather software with the G30 and pre-crushed grain from TMM, I almost always meet my OG target within a point or two, so I might just scale the gravity in the software, leaving everything else the same. I can't see why that would be a problem!

 

[The Baron]

It's earlier in this thread - Hazelwood Brewery posted a link to it in comment 3

That said, I've queued it up to brew later this year, but I'm struggling to achieve the OG quoted based on the ingredients and quantities, assuming an optimistic efficiency of 80%. What am I doing wrong?

I seem to get around 1.042 instead of 1.050.

Hi TigerTim
Is it not possible to adjust the recipe to the BHE you are getting or is it kits you are using in which case they are generally based on 70% to 75% BHE

 

[Hazelwood Brewery]

I essentially just put the recipe into the Grainfather app, including the three-step mash

I'm used to it being a bit fickle. It always seems to calculate IBUs differently from everything else (I use Tinseth and have configured it as such, but it always seems to disagree with pretty much every other software) but it normally doesn't get the sugar calculation this far out!

Don’t be afraid to add more base malts if you want. I’m not precious about the recipe and a little extra base malt won’t change the beer noticeably.

 

[daniele]

That might also be an option and would also be English.

Keep an eye out for Ernest though and maybe ask your supplier if they might get hold of some. I think it’s worthwhile trying Ernest when/if you can in some future brew.

hi! my supplier can find me Harlequeen or Archer and peraphs Godiva (but is not sure!)... what do you think about it?
I know that ernest has apricot, citrus and spice aroma, Harlequeen is more tropical fruit flavours and aromas including passionfruit, peach and pineapple and archer is floral with lime and peach

 

[Caramel Ox]

Harlequin is good give that a go.

 

[An Ankoù]

I suggest you look at crossmyloof website if you want English hops. They are very reasonable and the postage is about €5.
They haven't got earnest us English cascade instead.
Their Tropical England mix is worth trying, too.

 

[An Ankoù]

Harlequin is good give that a go.

Harlequin is weird, in a good way, but weird nevertheless. I use it all the time in my mild and it tastes like cannabis!
Godiva is another weird one. Made a bitter using it and it tasted like mushy peas. Fortunately, I like mushy peas.

 

[Caramel Ox]

Harlequin is weird, in a good way, but weird nevertheless. I use it all the time in my mild and it tastes like cannabis!
Godiva is another weird one. Made a bitter using it and it tasted like mushy peas. Fortunately, I like mushy peas.

To me Harlequin was like a tasty blend of us hops. Have Godiva in the fermenter now. There may be more year to year variations in young products?

 

[Hazelwood Brewery]

hi! my supplier can find me Harlequeen or Archer and peraphs Godiva (but is not sure!)... what do you think about it?
I know that ernest has apricot, citrus and spice aroma, Harlequeen is more tropical fruit flavours and aromas including passionfruit, peach and pineapple and archer is floral with lime and peach

In the absence of Ernest go with the one that sounds most attractive/interesting to you.

@Caramel Ox says Harlequin is good @An Ankoù thought it weird but in a good way (mind you he thinks Godiva is weird too). If you really can’t decide, go with Harlequin.

 

[An Ankoù]

To me Harlequin was like a tasty blend of us hops. Have Godiva in the fermenter now. There may be more year to year variations in young products?

I'd be very interested to hear how the Godiva brew turns out. For me, it was pleasant, but not stunning and decidedly "odd"- hard to describe- excellent in a blend of hops, but "curious" on its own.
Harlequin, on the other hand, stands up well on its own in a light ale/bitter, but it's got its own character and is not really like any other hop. It's certainly not a substitute for something else
I added it to my mild a couple of years ago when the open packet of hops I had intended to use smelt a bit "iffy" I was blown away by the result. Not overpowering, but quite surprising and well suited to the darker style. I'll post the full recipe if anyone wants to try it.

 

[daniele]

In the absence of Ernest go with the one that sounds most attractive/interesting to you.

@Caramel Ox says Harlequin is good @An Ankoù thought it weird but in a good way (mind you he thinks Godiva is weird too). If you really can’t decide, go with Harlequin.

okk thanks!
I think I will go with Harlequin.
Thanks a lot

 

[An Ankoù]

okk thanks!
I think I will go with Harlequin.
Thanks a lot

Let us know how it turns out.

 

[An Ankoù]

Let us know how it turns out.

I resurrected the recipe for my harlequin ale from a couple of years ago. Used 100g in 20L.
Went to crop the yeast this morning and was surprised to find the beer perfectly clear underneath. It tastes delicious. Big <80C charge, but no dry hops. Will bottle tomorrow.
Here's the recipe I used.