Boris gone.

[ElvisIsBeer]

low farce

 

[ElvisIsBeer]

I like Boris too, despite his 'comic lunatic' persona. I can understand why he and Davies did it though, a soft Brexit would have been an afront to the people of this country and the democratic process as a whole.

Our politicians need to concentrate on delivering what this country voted for, with the nation's best interests at heart, rather than pandering to the snowflake generation.

What a load of typical blowhard pap. What did the country vote for exactly? You don't know. The government don't know. And even if they did, they don't know how to deliver it. Whatever it is.

In simple, definable, real terms - what do you think should happen?

 

[MmmBeer]

Pope,

Let us stick to discussing beer, although it's still sometimes contentious, it's normally friendlier than politics, football or religion.

Have a pint for me tonight and please excuse my spelling mistake, I had assumed it was the Americanised spell checker.

MmmBeer

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Not so permanent now, eh?

 

[marshbrewer]

Not so permanent now, eh?

Lol.

 

[ElvisIsBeer]

They've got plenty of willing but incompetent hunts to take his place, I'm sure.

 

[Pope]

You are entitled to your opinion mine is the other incompetent buffoons have screwed the leavers (and remember they were the majority) for the reasons he gives below.

Johnson's record is appalling. Garden Bridge project, water cannons, Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe, joking about dead bodies in Libya, his comments about the Hillsborough disaster...these are just a few of his gaffs. There are plenty more. He also undermined the Prime Minister on a number of occasions, making a mockery of cabinet collective responsibility. Frankly, he shouldn't have been allowed to get this far, he should have been sacked but May's weakness prevented her from doing this. His popularity is based on the contrived image of a bumbling clown. On Brexit, he wasn't a true believer (https://www.theguardian.com/politic...is-johnson-column-favoured-uk-remaining-in-eu) he saw it as an opportunity to further his own career in the Tory party, except when he had the chance to go for the top job after Cameron's resignation...he bottled it.

Leavers haven't been screwed...the leavers in government had no idea what to do once they won the referendum, they had no clue and no plan. They still do not. From the resignation letters from Davis and Johnson, they pour scorn on the government's plan, without saying what they would do differently. There was no definition of what Brexit was at the time and only on Friday did the government come up with something close to a plan. In hindsight, this should have been defined before the referendum, not after. The question answered on the ballot paper was about our membership of the European Union, not about our future relationship with it. Therefore, there is no betrayal...you can't betray something that was never defined.

Oh, and leavers were not the majority of anything. They were 34.73% of the electorate and 26.5% of the population. This "will of the people" nonsense needs to be put in the bin (as a basis of debate), alongside the other meaningless slogans "taking back control" and "Brexit means Brexit".

 

[Chippy_Tea]

At the end of the day it doesn't matter how good or bad Boris was we are leaving we did well before we joined and we will do well when we leave.

 

[reddibaggie]

That is just gibberish and word salad.

Brexit is the "affront" to democracy. A binary question on a decision which the electorate wasn't informed to make. Project lies defeated project fear, with the help of Russian bots, breaking electoral commission rules and the Cambridge Analytica scandal.

What is there to like about Johnson? He's an incompetent buffoon.

The politicians can't concentrate on what the country voted for with the nation's best interests at heart:
1. The leave campaigners had no idea what to do once they won the referendum
2. Leaving the EU is the opposite of the nation's best interests
3. Half of the country did not vote to leave the EU. Why should they be completely dismissed?

And so says a bitter remoner. Speak for yourself, I knew exactly what I was voting for, I knew the ramifications the pluses and the minuses and no russian bot forced me to vote out.


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[IainM]

As far as I can tell the brexiteers are jumping ship so that they aren't held responsible for the shambles they'll deliver. They can't deliver what they promised, because it was fantasy from the get-go; Brexit is and always was a terrible idea. The tories are too weak to deliver anything other than fudge. They can't command a majority for the 'cake-and-eat-it' ultras who know full well that the EU won't grant them inclusion in the single market without accepting the customs union and other three freedoms, and would happily crash out. They can't command a majority for a soft/in-name-only brexit either, and that would be worse than staying in anyway. So, I look to the opposition for some leadership and Corbyn is just plain awful, emitting as much fudge as May, only he's smug about it because he isn't going to be responsible for the coming ****-show.

 

[Ajhutch]

Theresa May becoming Prime Minister was hoped to be the end of the era of politics as lads’ banter that Cameron and Osborne oversaw. Hopefully now Johnson and Davis are gone that can actually happen and politicians, any politicians, can get serious and focus on issues. Probably me just dreaming though.

 

[Pope]

And so says a bitter remoner. Speak for yourself, I knew exactly what I was voting for, I knew the ramifications the pluses and the minuses and no russian bot forced me to vote out.


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This right here is a typical leaver comment. Incapable of responding to debate without resorting pathetic insults, with the token spelling mistake. I believe the word you're looking for is "remoaner".

People like you are the reason leavers are branded as stupid. I don't actually believe all leavers are stupid for the record, but resorting to insults in the face of rational debate and becoming further entrenched in your beliefs despite all evidence to the contrary doesn't help your cause.

You didn't know the ramifications of Brexit before the referendum because there was no defined plan of what our relationship with the European Union would be if the leave side were to win.

 

[Linalmeemow]

And so says a bitter remoner. Speak for yourself, I knew exactly what I was voting for, I knew the ramifications the pluses and the minuses and no russian bot forced me to vote out.

Out of interest, what do you think you were voting for? And perhaps more interestingly do you think what we get is going to be anything like that?

 

[The Baron]

At the end of the day it doesn't matter how good or bad Boris was we are leaving we did well before we joined and we will do well when we leave.

Spot on Chippy lets get it sorted and get the hell outa there whatever the thoughts of some people they will not let it go just bad losers ( and I know its the old cliche that we did not know what we were voting for but if anybody could have told us the reach into the unknown they would have been signed up by top firms to predict the future outcome)

 

[welly3]

Wow, it's all here. Remoaner (and remoner), snowflake, "affront to democracy", losers etc. All the soundbites, all the cliches.

I wish I had my Brexiteer Bingo card to hand. I'd have a full house.

Bad losers is something you use to describe a child who dropped their egg at the egg and spoon race and sulked for the rest of the day. This isn't an egg and spoon race.

Brexit has significant repercussions that probably won't affect half the Brexiters, as they'll be pushing up daisies in a few years time, judging by age of the vast majority of Brexiters I've seen interviewed. And half of them probably won't make it past Brexit day. Meanwhile today's youth will have the mess to deal with. Well done, Brexiters. We're already seeing the signs on things to come.

 

[Brianbrewed]

It just seems so crazy that the Pro-Brexit politicians really seemed to have no strategy whatsoever on how to exit the EU after the referendum.

The Irish border issue is still up in the air. The only two obvious ideas is the border between the UK and the Republic of Ireland (the only land border between the EU and the UK) be the Irish Sea. This would NEVER be acceptable to the DUP as it would be a de-facto united Ireland.

A Hard border between The Republic and Northern Ireland which would both be unacceptable to the Irish Republic and probably un-workable.

It's a real eye opener that no one on the British side has come up with a solution with one of the most basic problems of Brexit.

 

[Pope]

At the end of the day it doesn't matter how good or bad Boris was/QUOTE]

To be fair, this is a thread about Boris Johnson and it does matter that a Minister is held to account and his incompetence is highlighted.

we did well before we joined and we will do well when we leave./QUOTE]

Except we were the "sick man of Europe" before. Also, the world has moved on since the 1970's. The UK does not hold the influence it once did. The EU can hold more sway in trade negotiations with other countries, than we can by ourselves. Not to mention we are free to travel, work, live and study in 27 other countries without barriers. The removal of freedom of movement will put up barriers to do those things.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Boris is not the reason we are in this mess and as i said we did fine before we joined and we will do fine when we have left, that is all.

 

[Brianbrewed]

Boris is not the reason we are in this mess and as i said we did fine before we joined and we will do fine when we have left, that is all.

Boris is partly responsible for this mess.
As to how you guys get on post Brexit, nobody knows.

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Boris is partly responsible for this mess.

He is a Tory so obviously he is partly responsible!

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