Ben Stokes not Guilty ????

[The Baron]

He's been found not guilty was the jury all cricket fans - unbelievable

 

[Dutto]

If that isn't "Fake News" it should be!

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I don't see how anyone could say he was innocent having watch the videos of him lashing out and clearly being the aggressor then knocking out one of the lads, unbelievable, i wonder what the verdict would have been had he been an ordinary bloke from a council estate with no money for a top lawyer.

 

[Dutto]

I don't see how anyone could say he was innocent having watch the videos of him lashing out and clearly being the aggressor then knocking out one of the lads, unbelievable, i wonder what the verdict would have been had he been an ordinary bloke from a council estate with no money for a top lawyer.

Er .... "Guilty as Charged" methinks!

 

[The Baron]

can we see a private prosecution coming on from the lad with the broken eye socket? If you can't get justice hit him in the pocket

 

[Chippy_Tea]

I wonder if the jury watched this.

 

[Ajhutch]

I think the jury probably watched the CCTV video. So maybe, just maybe, they also heard something else that gave them reason to acquit.

Or it could be a conspiracy, who knows.

 

[marshbrewer]

At the end of the day, the jury heard all of the evidence, including the judge summing up, and found them both not guilty in fairly short order.

We, on the other hand, have only had parts of the evidence shown to us via the media

 

[Ajhutch]

can we see a private prosecution coming on from the lad with the broken eye socket? If you can't get justice hit him in the pocket

The lad with the broken eye socket, or as he has been known for the last week, the co-defendant (or if you like, the guy swinging the bottle) shook Stokes’s hand as they left the dock and has said he’s glad it’s all over, so if I had to guess I’s say he won’t be bringing a private prosecution.

It may seem like I’m trying to excuse Stokes, far from it. The video is shocking, I strongly feel he should be severely disciplined by the ECB regardless of he verdict and I think it is in very poor taste that he has been put straight back into the England squad. But none of that changes the idea that making summary judgments based on incomplete information is a terrible idea and thank goodness it isn’t how courts actually work in practice.

 

[marshbrewer]

Or, perhaps he doesn't deserve any punishment whatsoever

 

[Ajhutch]

I have some sympathy for that view but I think many workplace codes of conduct (which is what he’s now basically in) would take a dim view of a CCTV video of such violence whatever the circumstances.

 

[marshbrewer]

Indeedy. I've no idea, to be honest, m just playing devils advocate.

 

[Dutto]

Every Oil & Gas Company I worked for had a very simple rule about fighting at work.

They sacked anyone who threw a punch. :thumb:

That included Senior Engineers and Managers and in one case, they sacked the guy who had been hit even though he hadn't retaliated!

The tough rules weren't just for fighting!

We were dealing with a major fire at a refinery I worked on when an Area Superintendent arrived to help. He had been off-duty when he heard the fire engines go past his house so he jumped into his car and set off for the refinery.

He arrived on site where the Refinery Manager (who happened to be on site at the time) smelled beer on his breath and sacked him on the spot!

Tough rules for sure but a lot of us are still alive because of them! abigt

Happy Days? :thumb:

 

[Chippy_Tea]

Indeedy. I've no idea, to be honest, m just playing devils advocate.

It's a good point but as has been said in the video he was not defending the gay couple he was chasing the two lads down the street and throwing many punches they were no longer fighting back and were trying to leave the scene, for me he got away very lightly.

 

[Duxuk]

The bloke who got punched was his own worst enemy. When someone is aggressive towards you never hold both hands up. It's defeatist and will encourage the aggressor to attack since he sees your weakness. Defend with your feet since legs are longer than arms. You'll at least buy yourself some time. You only need to kick out at groin height as hard and fast as you can. As for his guilt then yes, Stokes was the aggressor regardless of whether he thought he was coming to the defence of someone else.

 

[Ajhutch]

.As for his guilt then yes, Stokes was the aggressor regardless of whether he thought he was coming to the defence of someone else.

The second half of this sentence, from a legal perspective, directly contradicts the first half.

 

[MarkBowie]

Apparently CPS filed the wrong charge (affray) and left it until after the legal deadline to add secondary charge, (I know nothing about legal system) So that’s trial finished. Straight back in the side after so I doubt ECB will be able to do anything otherwise they should have kept him under suspension. Apart from what Stokes did, I feel sorry for Sam Curran who has been left out the side so Stokes can swagger back in.

 

[foxbat]

My view of the competence of the CPS took a nosedive when I saw them in action during jury service and the judge even admonished them after the trial. As usual it's the victims that lose out.