are my taste buds shot?????(old rosie)

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iv just opened my first bottle of old rosie and it has got a very slight taste of TCP . im sure that's not right is it??? smells like cider . its been sat in my pint glass for half hour and was hoping the flavour would go but its still there.

its was in a clean glass, its in date and has been in the fridge for a week for the yeast to drop out but still a little cloudy.

so is it my taste buds or does it taste like that?
 
Are you sure it is tcp and not the 'farm yard' twang. It is meant to taste like that that is the Malolactic fermentation, what proper cider tastes like. :thumb: :thumb:
 
dont think its a farm yard twang but im not sure now. ok time for the stupid question what does a farm yard twang taste like :?: . im new to MLF
 
Its not quite tcp but it is along those lines more like what a farmyard smells like.
 
thank you then it must of been the twang. i have not drunk a lot of real cider in my time . im not sure if i like it but its not going to put me off try it again. im going to try and reuse the yeast for a batch of cider
 
It is a bit of an acquired taste like islay malts i suppose, but they are tasty and have more depth to them than your run of the mill industrial artificially sweet cider. :thumb: :thumb:
 
No vwp. As its a clean pint glass and shop brought bottle of old rosie
 
i would 2nd it's the twang that is normal in old rosie , 8% odd it will have a kick , usually a going home pint for me lol.
 
Hi,
Many years ago, my parents kept goats and pigs, so we had a bit of a farmyard. We used to wash down with Jeyes Fluid, and use some stuff called Stockton tar on their hooves. About 20 years ago, I bought a gallon of Scrumpy when we were down in the West Country. It tasted just like a cross between Jeyes fluid, the tarry smell of the Stockton, and the other farmyard smells I had been exposed to as a child. It sounds horrible, but I liked it! It was VERY strong on those smells and tastes. I have noticed those notes in a lot of the foods and drinks I like. This experience was just a particularly strong one . I now realise that these particular smells and tastes are mainly phenols, hence the TCP like take on things by the OP. We do encounter those smells and tastes in brewing, and also in cheeses and the like. They are very strong tasting organic chemicals which intermingle, and if in balance with other organoleptic entities add to our enjoyment. I believe that this is what is being described when the "Farmyard Twang" is being discussed. I think you know it when you've tasted it! It is completely different from a clean alcohol taste or the taste of raw Turbo cider. The MLP process is argued to develop these flavours. My experiments with a pure commercial MLP bacteria have shown me that this does not develop the lovely Farmyard taste (which would be a bit less intense than that described above... It was a bit OTT). The application of some commercial MLP bacteria to my recent Turbos certainly modified the taste, but not along the "Farmyard route". Commercial MLF bacteria are designed to soften harsh wines, turning the malic into lactic.

MLF bacteria are fastidious bacteria, so they need nurturing with the right nutrients and environment.

I think that fermentations from Old Rosie culture, as described on this site, are more likely to do the trick of generating the Farmyard thing, but I have no direct experience. I've not managed to get Old Rosie going.

Regards,

Simon.
 
Thank you. I think that is the thing - but dilute all those smells and it is what maybe we like (maybe some don't).
 
Interesting thread.

Growing up in Zummerzet I was exposed to a range of ciders.
My dad would buy Bulmers and Gaymers (possibly better then than they are now);
the offy near my school had stuff on draught - bring your own bottle, missed a few afternoon lessons;
local farms had stuff, much of which appeared at the annual festival at Weston-super-Mare (some of it had Stuff floating in it)

So... I've always known there are as many styles of cider as there are of ale. And after a few too many headaches, ended up preferring a cleaner style - not that I don't like the farmyardy stuff, but it's not my first choice. The stuff I like least is the horribly sweet stuff some of the commercial outfits are turning out now. Next to last is the sour stuff - don't like sour beers either.

I'm moderately happy with where my TCs are but they are definitely still a WorkInProgress: some days I prefer them to the commercial beers I buy, some days I don't. I prefer them to the vast majority of the commercial ciders. I like the flavour but could do with a bit more depth. I'll try MLF soon (want to do some tests with different yeasts first) but I suspect it won't give me what I'm looking for, or, perhaps, it'll give what I want but unavoidably bring things I don't want along too.
After the yeast test, or possibly before, I'm going to try a few with a hint of sweetener - we like it dry, and I've always made it totally dry, but maybe just a hint of sweetness would help it along a lot.

One day I'll (hopefully) get a recipe I'm happy enough with to go up from 2gallon to 5gallon batches!
 
asd said:
I think that fermentations from Old Rosie culture, as described on this site, are more likely to do the trick of generating the Farmyard thing, but I have no direct experience. I've not managed to get Old Rosie going.

Regards,

Simon.

MLF is due to more than one bacteria. As you said commercial MLF cultures are designed to soften wine so are probably just one strain bread for the purpose, and not for turning cider into a farmyard :lol: :lol:
 

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