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More looking at sours and citrussy lagers. I've used Pilsner malt for both before with decent results. Alas there's no pilsner malt in the sale (hence asking on here) and I've never used Vienna which is in stock.

Proper noob question time, but is Vienna Malt a pretty good like for like for Pilsner malt?

Final update on this. Very very nice beer. A bit watery still but there's blackberry flavour and nice tartness to it and a lovely colour. I'd be very happy to pay decent pennies for this at a craft bar. Might try adding a small amount of lactose sugar for some body next time I do a sour, but...

I know it's early, but any chance of getting Sour Beers on the '25 comp schedule. Got some sours in mind for the second half of this year.

Motueka is limey isn't it? Maybe a Mexican Lager.

Donkeystone were local to me. When they first started their Stouts and dark beers were actually really good. They changed premises and the quality just fell off massively. I was talking to a lad who worked there and he said when he started the brewing staff had no clue what they were doing. I...

I didn't take any readings. Honestly I always forget to do gravity readings and I don't have a PH meter. Taste wise it wasn't overbearingly sour, but it definitely had a tartness to it. I like my beers sour so it might be more sour than I'm making out. It just felt a bit watery really. I know...

The promised update from bottling day. I got 22 650(ish)ml bottles from just shy of 20 litres. The tap and siphon were both clogging to the point it wasn't worth the effort carrying on. Had a little taster though and I did good. A little thinner than I would have liked but tasted amazing...

I boiled them on the stovetop separate to the boil of the wort. I'm not sure what I meant, by doing it the other way around. Anyway, it's bottling day today. Expect pictures later (edit, hopefully not of how i killed my beer).

UPDATE! I transferred this to a secondary fermenter and added another 1.1kg of blackberries yesterday. I only boiled rather than pureeing and straining the second load of blackberries. I think maybe I've done this backwards. Anyway, I've got a new Krausen on the go and the Airlock is going ham...

I suspect seeing the Vault City one might have been what inspired my desire to brew one.

Not yet. Got a Blackberry Sour on the go at the moment, so if that goes well I might repeat it later in the year (in Blackberry Season) then do as @An Ankoù suggested and add Cordial after fermentation. I'll keep you posted on how it goes.

Off topic but have CML made a Philly Sour equivalent? Love how convenient CML is with free delivery etc. EDIT - I just checked and Yes, yes they do. Sour 3.5

Tempted to get one of these if they drop to £70 again. Any updates on how it's going?

Just put the brewday pictures up. I'll update this as I have updates.

Here's the pictures from Brewday.

Quick update. Brewday went off almost completely hitchless. Had slightly more blackberries than I thought so 1.2kg went in rather than the 1kg i intended. Left it chilling overnight and added the yeast this morning. Smells and looks amazing.

East Manchester guy here. Prestwich is a bit far but if you guys ever meet in Central Manchester I might pop along. Glad to know there are groups not too far from me.

Balls, I deleted twitter not long before this and just missed. I'd asked him about buying some of those Brewdevil fermenters when he moved out of the taproom as well. Hope they got decent money for it all.

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