You're talking about how some people finance them. Different conversation. Still new cars and people still buying them, however they finance the purchase.
Electric cars.
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This is nuts. I think I've said it before, but in Ireland, road tax on an EV is €120 a year, regardless of cost or size. Purchase of a new EV under €60k will get you a grant of €3.5k and you also get €300 towards the cost of installing a charger. These grants were reduced from iirc €6k and €600 three years ago.
Eventually they will be phased out I presume.
"Depending on tank size"
Which is another way of saying that smaller (and cheaper) hydrogen cars won't go as far on a fill as bigger (and more expensive) cars.
Plus the lunacy of taking electricity and effectively burning 60% of it to make it work in a car. How is this in any way economical or even ecological?
BEV are not squeaky clean -
In 2020, approximately 550,000 EV batteries reached the end of their lives, and it is estimated that approximately 150 million more batteries will be generated by 2035. The global recycling rate of electric vehicle batteries is currently approximately 5%. The remainder are either stockpiled, for recycling or reuse at a later date, or disposed of in landfill.
EV batteries contain a wealth of precious metals and elements, including lithium, nickel and cobalt; which only exist in finite quantities in specific geographical regions. Most electric vehicles use lithium-ion batteries (LIBs) because they offer a high energy density and a relatively low product weight. In 2019, 35% of all LIBs produced globally were used in electric vehicles, and the demand for LIBs is only set to increase, with rising sales of electronics and EVs.
It is crucial that battery lifecycles are managed sustainably in order to meet the growing demand for electronics and EVs without depleting finite resources of raw materials, and to minimise the environmental damage associated with mining. So, how can this be done? There are two options: recycle or reuse.
https://www.futuretracker.com/post/electric-vehicle-battery-recycling#:~:text=In 2020, approximately 550,000 EV,batteries is currently approximately 5%.
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Plans for a major hydrogen scheme in Barrow will be funded by the Government, the Chancellor confirmed in this week’s Budget.
Rachel Reeves named the Barrow project among 11 green hydrogen schemes that the Government would back with £2 billion-worth of funding.
The previous Government announced it would fund the Barrow Green Hydrogen project in December last year.
Carlton Power is working with Kimberly-Clark to supply green hydrogen to the manufacturing plant, reducing its reliance on natural gas by up to 30%.
It will be first of its type to be built in the UK and expected to employ around 200 people during its construction, and around 10 people full-time once in operation.
It has the potential to supply other manufacturing companies in the area.
Barrow and Furness Labour MP Michelle Scrogham welcomed the announcement.
Mrs Scrogham said: “I am delighted that this Government is prioritising investment in the future economic growth of this country.
“Today’s announcement shows that this government is willing to back Barrow and Furness to be at the heart of that renewal, with our community taking a leading role in driving forward the important green energy transition.
“Our area has the potential to be a national centre for that transition which is so vital to rebuilding our country’s economy.”
The project secured local planning consent in 2023 and will be built on land next to Kimberly-Clark’s facility on Park Road (A590). It is now targeted to enter operation in 2026/27.
Small hydrogen tank is about 4kg - 240 miles.
Average (Toyota Mirai) 5.6Kg - 336 miles
Hyundai Nexo 6.3Kg - 380 miles
Longest range BEV - Mercedes EQS - 481 miles
And a lot cheaper to run. Hydrogen costs £15/Kg. So to fill your Mirai would cost £84. Whereas the EQS would cost less than half that on public charging.
Batteries are far more recyclable than combustion engines which are only worth scrap metal. Repurposing for solar storage is one of the best methods as well as dismantling for replacement modules. I'd like to see what's going in landfill because I'd be down there puling them out myself.
Hydrogen for industrial use. What's that got to do with cars?
The site is next to one of the biggest offshore wind farms in the UK its free electric to make hydrogen if they ever decide to go in that direction.
Small part here.
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One of the major causes of engine wear over time is *fuel wash you don't get that burning Hydrogen so engines will last a lot longer, service item like oil and filters wont need changing as often and they produce nothing harmful at the exhaust.
Scrap metal is made into other things so its not a negative it doesn't go to landfill
I think he is trying to say it has a purpose and should not be dismissed
Quoting your message, but also applies to any other about hydrogen.
Ignoring the obvious issues of energy efficiency and cost - the main issue is the hydrogen itself
It likes to escape.
Don't forget it's only one electron away from radiation.
It leaks like a sieve. It escapes from solid steel containers, it dissolves hardened carbon fiber high pressure containers.
The losses to the 'system' for industrial manufacture, transportation and storage for personal use just adds to the negative of its poor efficiency
Wind energy is not free. You think wind turbines cost nothing? And it doesn't make the hydrogen more efficient for use in cars.
Most hydrogen vehicles are electric. Hydrogen combustion engines have not gone past prototypes.
Maybe I was too subtle the last time I replied to this. I very much doubt that batteries are going into landfill to any appreciable amount. On the other hand 25% of every ICE vehicle scrapped goes into landfill.
But all of this is more relevant to a discussion on inefficient recycling rather than any particular type of propulsion unit. Since EVs are in their relative infancy, so is the recycling industry. But it's now possible to recycle all the minerals in an EV battery back to the battery manufacturers, making them infinitely recyclable.
Its free if you own the company and you were already making money from the wind farm its not costing you any more to use the parked windmills to generate power to use at your hydrogen plant.
BEV and ICE cars are basically the same which 25% of ICE car parts go into landfill that BEV do not have?
What are you talking about? Seriously, I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Do you think that the costs of production just stop when a certain amount of electricity is produced and the rest is free?
Yes, because unlike an ICE engine, batteries are infinitely recyclable.
The same. That was my point. You said "BEVs are not squeaky clean" because of some vague statement about batteries going in landfill. I've yet to find any actual data on this.
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Are you going to answer the question name the 25% parts from an ICE car that go into landfill that a BEV's don't have.
