Job market forecast for 2025?

Shop deals on ebay
shop deals on amazon
Advertise with us
The Homebrew Forum

Help Support The Homebrew Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.
Omega

Omega

Regular.
Joined
Aug 24, 2023
Messages
295
Reaction score
63
Location
swindon
I am a contractor and, apparently, I was lucky to have a contract until middle of July this year. However, I have been on a bench since then
Spoke to lots of recruiters and they said the slowdown for contractors has been for more than a year
Is there a light at the end of the tunnel?
It looks like businesses are still hesitant to start large transformation programmes, but how long they can hold on? Because IT systems need upgrades, the IT architecture needs to evolve, organisations need to restructure. However, all of this seem to have been put on ice...
What is 2025 going to bring us?
Does anyone have a forecast with a reference to confirm it? I only spoke to recruiters who say there is a hope, but it is only because too many businesses waited for too long to initiate their transformation programmes, so there is a massive backlog and it will come down like money rain. At the same time, I feel our quality of live is falling and I read we are not attractive for foreign investment, maybe these are the first shoots of our upcoming stagnation?
Thanks
 
I usually do PM, Programme Management, PMO or Change Management, typically digital transformation with ERPs, CRMs, AI/ML etc though TOM also falls into my plate
 
Omega said:
I am a contractor and, apparently, I was lucky to have a contract until middle of July this year. However, I have been on a bench since then
Spoke to lots of recruiters and they said the slowdown for contractors has been for more than a year
Is there a light at the end of the tunnel?
It looks like businesses are still hesitant to start large transformation programmes, but how long they can hold on? Because IT systems need upgrades, the IT architecture needs to evolve, organisations need to restructure. However, all of this seem to have been put on ice...
What is 2025 going to bring us?
Does anyone have a forecast with a reference to confirm it? I only spoke to recruiters who say there is a hope, but it is only because too many businesses waited for too long to initiate their transformation programmes, so there is a massive backlog and it will come down like money rain. At the same time, I feel our quality of live is falling and I read we are not attractive for foreign investment, maybe these are the first shoots of our upcoming stagnation?
Thanks
Click to expand...
I guess this comes down to money and the financial forecast is worst than predicted, looking like mid 2026 before any pick up.
 
Omega said:
I usually do PM, Programme Management, PMO or Change Management, typically digital transformation with ERPs, CRMs, AI/ML etc though TOM also falls into my plate
Click to expand...
Have you looked over here (Ireland)? By all accounts, it seems to be hard to find people.
 
Larse said:
Have you looked over here (Ireland)? By all accounts, it seems to be hard to find people.
Click to expand...
I don’t mind working anywhere, but I don’t see many opportunities there either
 
Last edited:
Brewing
-8%
£25.75 £27.99
Brewing Amazon.co.uk
How to Brew: Everything You Need to Know to Brew Great Beer Every Time
-25%
£14.25 £18.99
How to Brew: Everything You Need to Know to Brew Great Beer Every Time Amazon.co.uk
Brew it Yourself: Make Your Own Beer, Wine, Cider and Other Concoctions
-27%
£10.99 £14.99
Brew it Yourself: Make Your Own Beer, Wine, Cider and Other Concoctions ST Bookstores
Sanitary clamp 1.5" (38mm) OD50.5mm Sanitary Tri-Clamp 90-Degree Pipe With Nipple And Electronic Thermometer, Stainless Steel 304 Home brewing(Without Thermometer)
£63.25
Sanitary clamp 1.5" (38mm) OD50.5mm Sanitary Tri-Clamp 90-Degree Pipe With Nipple And Electronic Thermometer, Stainless Steel 304 Home brewing(Without Thermometer) DAN CHENG XIAN PENG SHI DA SHANG MAO DIAN
FOR THE LOVE OF HOPS (Brewing Elements): The Practical Guide to Aroma, Bitterness and the Culture of Hops
-20%
£11.95 £14.99
FOR THE LOVE OF HOPS (Brewing Elements): The Practical Guide to Aroma, Bitterness and the Culture of Hops Amazon.co.uk
5 x Honey Yeast Bulldog Mead
£10.99 (£2.20 / count)
5 x Honey Yeast Bulldog Mead do-it-at-home
Shepherd Made Mead Making Kit (Mead-Kit), Multicolored
£30.68
Shepherd Made Mead Making Kit (Mead-Kit), Multicolored Amazon US
Finlandia Cider - 40 Pint Homebrew Ingredient Kit Including 1Kg Vinclasse Brewing Sugar
£23.35
Finlandia Cider - 40 Pint Homebrew Ingredient Kit Including 1Kg Vinclasse Brewing Sugar BalliihooHomebrew
DIAH DO IT AT HOME Fermenter 30l Fermentation Bucket with Tap, Airlock, Lid, and Bung, Homebrew Wine Making
£17.95
DIAH DO IT AT HOME Fermenter 30l Fermentation Bucket with Tap, Airlock, Lid, and Bung, Homebrew Wine Making do-it-at-home
DIAH DO IT AT HOME Beer Making Kit 5 litre George's Beer Home Brew Craft Beer Starter Kit Equipment and Ingredients (PILS)
£35.95
DIAH DO IT AT HOME Beer Making Kit 5 litre George's Beer Home Brew Craft Beer Starter Kit Equipment and Ingredients (PILS) do-it-at-home
ALCOTEC Wine Yeast Universal 40g - AROMATIC WINE COMPLEX - Yeast + Nutrient + Enzymes - Home Brew Yeasts, Wine Making Yeast, Homebrew, Wine meter …
£5.25 (£131.25 / kg)
ALCOTEC Wine Yeast Universal 40g - AROMATIC WINE COMPLEX - Yeast + Nutrient + Enzymes - Home Brew Yeasts, Wine Making Yeast, Homebrew, Wine meter … do-it-at-home
2" OD64mm x 1.5" OD50.5mm Tri- Clamp Reducer with (19mm) OD50.5mm Thermometer Connector for Homebrewing,SS304 ZUZAOJUYIN(with Fittings)
£104.00
2" OD64mm x 1.5" OD50.5mm Tri- Clamp Reducer with (19mm) OD50.5mm Thermometer Connector for Homebrewing,SS304 ZUZAOJUYIN(with Fittings) zhuzhaojunamz
2" OD64mm x 1.5" OD50.5mm Tri- Clamp Reducer with (19mm) OD50.5mm Thermometer Connector for Homebrewing Distillation,SS304 ICXLPMC(Main Body)
£56.45
2" OD64mm x 1.5" OD50.5mm Tri- Clamp Reducer with (19mm) OD50.5mm Thermometer Connector for Homebrewing Distillation,SS304 ICXLPMC(Main Body) chengshifengamz
2" OD64mm x 1.5" OD50.5mm Tri- Clamp Reducer with (19mm) OD50.5mm Thermometer Connector for Homebrewing,SS304 HMCOCOOFM(with Fittings)
£103.05
2" OD64mm x 1.5" OD50.5mm Tri- Clamp Reducer with (19mm) OD50.5mm Thermometer Connector for Homebrewing,SS304 HMCOCOOFM(with Fittings) weifangguanhuawangluokejiyouxiangongsi
Wye Valley Meadery Traditional Mead (70cl Bottle), 14.5% ABV
£29.95 (£32.09 / 75 cl)
Wye Valley Meadery Traditional Mead (70cl Bottle), 14.5% ABV Saxtys Wines
The Meaning of Beer: The Surprising Story of how Beer Made Us
-60%
£6.80 £16.99
The Meaning of Beer: The Surprising Story of how Beer Made Us Amazon.co.uk
Historical Brewing Techniques: The Lost Art of Farmhouse Brewing
-29%
£14.25 £19.99
Historical Brewing Techniques: The Lost Art of Farmhouse Brewing Amazon.co.uk
NHKSFBLQ 2" OD64mm x 1.5" OD50.5mm Tri- Clamp Reducer With (19mm) OD50.5mm Thermometer Connector For Homebrewing,SS304(With Fittings)
£101.58
NHKSFBLQ 2" OD64mm x 1.5" OD50.5mm Tri- Clamp Reducer With (19mm) OD50.5mm Thermometer Connector For Homebrewing,SS304(With Fittings) zhaojingouz
BALLIIHOO Homebrew Kit - Basic Starter Equipment Set with 40 Pint Cider Ingredients & 1Kg Brewing Sugar
£52.31
BALLIIHOO Homebrew Kit - Basic Starter Equipment Set with 40 Pint Cider Ingredients & 1Kg Brewing Sugar BalliihooHomebrew
Bulldog Brews Mead Yeast and Nutrient
£4.49 (£0.18 / l)
Bulldog Brews Mead Yeast and Nutrient BalliihooHomebrew
Craft Brew: 50 homebrew recipes from the world's best craft breweries
-39%
£9.10 £14.99
Craft Brew: 50 homebrew recipes from the world's best craft breweries Pearly Books
Mangrove Jack 3X ’s Craft Series Mead Yeast M05 (10g)
-12%
£10.49 (£349.67 / kg) £11.96 (£398.67 / kg)
Mangrove Jack 3X ’s Craft Series Mead Yeast M05 (10g) BrewCo
DIAH DO IT AT HOME Beer & Wine Making Starter Kit - Basic Equipment - All You Need in One Box Homemade Beer & Wine Home Brewing
£32.95
DIAH DO IT AT HOME Beer & Wine Making Starter Kit - Basic Equipment - All You Need in One Box Homemade Beer & Wine Home Brewing do-it-at-home
Almost Off Grid Mead Yeast - 10g Sachet
£3.99 (£399.00 / kg)
Almost Off Grid Mead Yeast - 10g Sachet Almost Off Grid
The Modern Homebrewer
-22%
£14.85 £18.99
The Modern Homebrewer Amazon.co.uk
Lalvin EC-1118 Wine Yeast (10 Pack) - Champagne Yeast - Make Wine Cider Mead Kombucha At Home - 5 g Sachets - Saccharomyces cerevisiae - Sold by CAPYBARA Distributors Inc.
£9.99 (£199.80 / kg)
Lalvin EC-1118 Wine Yeast (10 Pack) - Champagne Yeast - Make Wine Cider Mead Kombucha At Home - 5 g Sachets - Saccharomyces cerevisiae - Sold by CAPYBARA Distributors Inc. CAPYBARA Distributors Inc. (UK)
4L 4" OD119mm * 1.5" OD50.5mm Copper Onion Head for Homebrewing,Thickness 1.5mm(with Thermometer)
£450.65
4L 4" OD119mm * 1.5" OD50.5mm Copper Onion Head for Homebrewing,Thickness 1.5mm(with Thermometer) nixuouz
2" OD64mm x 1.5" OD50.5mm Tri- Clamp Reducer with (19mm) OD50.5mm Thermometer Connector for Homebrewing,SS304(with Fittings)
£102.31
2" OD64mm x 1.5" OD50.5mm Tri- Clamp Reducer with (19mm) OD50.5mm Thermometer Connector for Homebrewing,SS304(with Fittings) zhaoweiamzqa
Brewing Classic Styles: 80 Winning Recipes Anyone Can Brew
-21%
£11.85 £14.99
Brewing Classic Styles: 80 Winning Recipes Anyone Can Brew Amazon.co.uk
2x Mangrove Jack’s Craft Series Mead Yeast M05 (10g)
-6%
£6.89 (£344.50 / kg) £7.30 (£365.00 / kg)
2x Mangrove Jack’s Craft Series Mead Yeast M05 (10g) do-it-at-home
2" OD64mm x 1.5" OD50.5mm Tri- Clamp Reducer with (19mm) OD50.5mm Thermometer Connector for Homebrewing,SS304 UGLJUNDU(with Fittings)
£102.31
2" OD64mm x 1.5" OD50.5mm Tri- Clamp Reducer with (19mm) OD50.5mm Thermometer Connector for Homebrewing,SS304 UGLJUNDU(with Fittings) chuyitongamz
Digital Temperature Watch Heating Thermometer Home Brewing Tools for Wine Bottle
£14.76
Digital Temperature Watch Heating Thermometer Home Brewing Tools for Wine Bottle B&D DIRECT STORE
The Brew Your Own Big Book of Clone Recipes: Featuring 300 Homebrew Recipes from Your Favorite Breweries
-6%
£15.96 £16.99
The Brew Your Own Big Book of Clone Recipes: Featuring 300 Homebrew Recipes from Your Favorite Breweries Amazon.co.uk
Almost Off Grid 25 Litre Home Brewing Kit for Beginners, Makes 30 Bottles, Equipment Starter Kit, Homebrewing Set for Wine, Beer, Cider and Mead Making, Basic Brewing Equipment
-6%
£29.95 £31.95
Almost Off Grid 25 Litre Home Brewing Kit for Beginners, Makes 30 Bottles, Equipment Starter Kit, Homebrewing Set for Wine, Beer, Cider and Mead Making, Basic Brewing Equipment Almost Off Grid
Brewing Mate 2 x Demijohn Airlock and Bung Set, Bubbler Air Lock for Home Brewing, Essential Equipment for Wine Making and Cider Making
-5%
£9.45 £9.99
Brewing Mate 2 x Demijohn Airlock and Bung Set, Bubbler Air Lock for Home Brewing, Essential Equipment for Wine Making and Cider Making Stratum One
2X Bulldog Mead Yeast & Nutrient High Alcohol 28g for 20-25L
£6.59 (£235.36 / kg)
2X Bulldog Mead Yeast & Nutrient High Alcohol 28g for 20-25L do-it-at-home
BALLIIHOO 30 Litre Homebrew and Winemaking Fermentation Bucket with Lever Tap & LCD Temperature Strip
£20.89
BALLIIHOO 30 Litre Homebrew and Winemaking Fermentation Bucket with Lever Tap & LCD Temperature Strip BalliihooHomebrew
Premium 25 Litre Beer and Wine Making Starter Kit with 2 Buckets Makes 30 or 60 Bottles, Equipment Kit, Homebrewing Set for Wine, Beer, Cider and Mead Making, Basic Brewing Equipment Almost Off Grid
£46.95
Premium 25 Litre Beer and Wine Making Starter Kit with 2 Buckets Makes 30 or 60 Bottles, Equipment Kit, Homebrewing Set for Wine, Beer, Cider and Mead Making, Basic Brewing Equipment Almost Off Grid Almost Off Grid
BJ #3 Kit - Premium Winemaking Equipment Set (6 Bottles Size)
£44.99
BJ #3 Kit - Premium Winemaking Equipment Set (6 Bottles Size) BiggerJugs
HJBFZZBD Sanitary clamp 1.5" (38mm) FlangeOD50.5mm Sanitary Tri-Clamp 90-Degree Pipe With Middle Nipple And Electronic Thermometer, Stainless Steel 304 Home brewing(Without Thermometer)
£63.25
HJBFZZBD Sanitary clamp 1.5" (38mm) FlangeOD50.5mm Sanitary Tri-Clamp 90-Degree Pipe With Middle Nipple And Electronic Thermometer, Stainless Steel 304 Home brewing(Without Thermometer) DAN CHENG XIAN PENG SHI DA SHANG MAO DIAN
I dunno if it applies to many other sectors but where I work we manufacture amongst other things,medical dressings. Our customers (so we're told) have been massively overstocked as a result of stockpiling during covid and the hospitals being quiet during the same time. Things (so we're told) are now beginning to pick up,order wise.
It's been a shyte year...I've given up trusting or believing or indeed giving a flying @#£% about anything...
 
I work for a pretty decently sized MSP.
We're ditching many of our contractors. What we're finding is that we've got similar projects that keep repeating themselves and it's cheaper to hire perms and then ship them out as needed.

Most of our Programme and Project managers are either provided internally and then moved about, or we use a single company that we outsource to.

Even the traditional stuff like low-code and no-code systems that are usually popular with contractors, we're actually building an internal resource pool.

The public sector customer I work for has just ditched every single contractor bar one (who apparently, they've been trying to offer a permanent job to for years).
 
MashBag said:
Is it with going permie until it picks up?
Click to expand...
Perm will pay about twice less. And, if I go perm, then I will want to stay for a while, but recruiters often think I will leave after the market improves... Contractor's curse
 
Yup.
But 50% of is better than 100% of fcuk all... and they say PMs can't count 😁

Tbh contracts were getting tight when I bailed.
 
MashBag said:
Yup.
But 50% of is better than 100% of fcuk all... and they say PMs can't count 😁

Tbh contracts were getting tight when I bailed.
Click to expand...
Yes , 50% is better than nothing. I am trying to suss what is behind the corner and read a forecast for the next year - I did not have a single day of break from June 2020 until July 2024
How ai see is the government made contracting difficult by IR35. However, they now made perm hiring difficult too by increases in NIC by employers, so there might be more contract jobs
Agree the contracts are getting tight - I am now quite happy to receive 60% of what I commanded in 2022, it is still twice more than a perm role.
 
Omega said:
Yes , 50% is better than nothing. I am trying to suss what is behind the corner and read a forecast for the next year - I did not have a single day of break from June 2020 until July 2024
How ai see is the government made contracting difficult by IR35. However, they now made perm hiring difficult too by increases in NIC by employers, so there might be more contract jobs
Agree the contracts are getting tight - I am now quite happy to receive 60% of what I commanded in 2022, it is still twice more than a perm role.
Click to expand...

I personally think everything will get tighter, so perm plus increased NIC is still cheaper than a contactor.

Someone once said, it is not the fitest, nor the most intelligent that survive, but those with the ability to bounce.
 
Last edited:
We can only deal with the hand we are dealt, play the cards we have well and ignore the ones we don't have. I am having to change too.
 
Last edited:
Asked Google and their AI collated that we are likely to grow above 1% next year… Fingers crossed
 
Asked Google AI and this is what I got:
The UK economy's 2025 forecast varies depending on the source, with some predicting growth of up to 2% and others predicting growth of around 1.5%:
  • Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR): The OBR's October 2024 Economic and fiscal outlook forecasts 2.0% GDP growth in 2025.

  • Treasury: The Treasury's November 2024 survey of independent forecasts predicts 1.3% GDP growth in 2025.

  • EY ITEM Club: The EY ITEM Club Autumn Forecast predicts 1.5% GDP growth in 2025.

  • CBI: The CBI's economic forecast anticipates 1.9% GDP growth in 2025.


 
Omega said:
Asked Google AI and this is what I got:
The UK economy's 2025 forecast varies depending on the source, with some predicting growth of up to 2% and others predicting growth of around 1.5%:
  • Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR): The OBR's October 2024 Economic and fiscal outlook forecasts 2.0% GDP growth in 2025.

  • Treasury: The Treasury's November 2024 survey of independent forecasts predicts 1.3% GDP growth in 2025.

  • EY ITEM Club: The EY ITEM Club Autumn Forecast predicts 1.5% GDP growth in 2025.

  • CBI: The CBI's economic forecast anticipates 1.9% GDP growth in 2025.

Click to expand...
Not sure if that helps much if the trend is away from contractors.
 
Recessions can be good for contractors as companies are often unwilling to commit to permanent staff in uncertain times. Saying that it's 20 years since I contracted. I hope the markets not dead as I may wish to do a couple of short term stints after my current role expires. Wouldn't mind doing some work up north UK. Never worked up north before. Also would be interested in a stint in Australia.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Chippy_Tea
Brewing giant Heineken will reopen 62 pubs that were closed in recent years and invest £39m in refurbishing hundreds of sites across the UK.
Replies
9
Views
884
The Cat
The Cat
Chippy_Tea
Questions over Britain’s 70% boost in aid to India just days after its rocket launch
Replies
14
Views
1K
RichardM
RichardM
Chippy_Tea
British Gas owner Centrica profits hit £3.3bn for 2022.
Replies
8
Views
1K
Rodcx500z
Rodcx500z
Chippy_Tea
  • Locked
Electric car charging costs nearing petrol prices for some - RAC
Replies
8
Views
1K
Nicks90
Nicks90
Chippy_Tea
Avanti West Coast.
Replies
0
Views
726
Chippy_Tea
Chippy_Tea

Latest posts

Back
Top