Death by cycle.

Chippy_Tea said:

This is an great cyclist vs pedestrians video it'll be interested to see how members view it.

Who is in the wrong here?

The lights are on green but this guy is going for it on a downhill road should he have slowed down as he had plenty of time to do so?

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Working in Glasgow city centre sadly this is not that uncommon.

This cyclist was just plain stupid, not for a second suggesting all are but clearly he knows the city, as the bus driver demonstrated and as a car driver you are fully aware that pedestrians cross regardless of the traffic lights its not unusual my average speed in the city is less then 10 mph ads you never really get going, point is if that had been a car or a motorbike someone would have died or been seriously hurt, BUT as the city has blanket camera coverage their reg number and incident would be recorded and acted on.

To go off subject slightly the rise in electric bikes both legal and illegal (many far exceed the legal power outputs and should be classed as mopeds) is real problem seen a nasty crash at busy roundabout narrowly avoided by everyone braking as a black Surron type ebike cut between cars and busses ran 2 red lights and sped off. I know technically not a cycle as they are electric mopeds and some classed as 125cc bikes due their power output, they are technically illegal but with no number plates very hard to trace or catch them, things like this need to stopped as they are very dangerous.

Do i think every cycle should be registered and insured? not sure insurance is expensive if you declared road riding it would be eye watering given the risk. Registration or ID might not be a crazy as it sounds as Chippy said the cyclist gave a false name and escaped any punishment for what could be considered a deliberate act, despite what he said no real effort to modulate speed or take into account other road users or pedestrians.

For balance i will defend cyclists not using cycle paths especially with road bikes, some of these paths are filthy and pot holed or suddenly come to kerbs etc this stops road bikes in their tracks so can understand why they use the smoother free flowing roads to gain momentum.

Final point I ride a motorbike sometimes so do not have an issue with filtering etc that is fine as long as you do not impair the progress of the vehicle you have filtered past when traffic flows again, I can see why this frustrates car drivers waiting to pass in safe place and manner only to be undertaken then held up all over again. To be fair many cyclists are respectful of the road and others users so this does not apply to all but those who nip onto the pavement to avoid traffic lights then jump back into the road, fine if clear but some do it regardless and expect the other vehicle to give them space.

The other night I was going to pick my lad up from his job. I was driving under 20 in the 20 zone and a lad on a bike,dressed in dark gear,no lights,came round the corner,head on on the wrong side of the road. I wasn't keen on stopping so he jumped off rather sharpish,dragging his bike with him!
Now,if I'd have driven over him whose fault would it be?

I'm afraid we live in a world of numpties pedestrian/cyclist/car driver it matters not. numpties are everywhere. Here's the thing - it doesn't matter if you are 'in the right' do you want to be in an incident? I think this law brings parity. But lets be honest the highway code gives a hierarchy of priority based on the damage a numpty can inflict. Truck, van, car, motorcycle, bike etc.

I frequently see peds walking in the cycle lane oblivious along Swansea bay. Am I triggered, nope - I swerve around them Safely - not aggressively. A bike is more maneuverable when moving at a middling pace than a pedestrian.

Having been knocked over by a car from my left on a mini roundabout the car just cut across it I can confirm it hurts a lot. Being in the right can hurt a lot. - I asked fuzz to send him on a driving without due care & attention course, as the victim that was an option to me. but dyfed powys police screwed up the paperwork and it was too late to send him on one - he learnt F.A. - I did get 3 bikes out of my personal injury claim. All I wanted was a replacement bike but his insurers DIRECT LINE played silly beggars refusing to pay AFTER agreeing my bike was a write off. because they argued over £250 value difference (it was covid and bike prices were inflated) So I went personal injury route it cost them about £5K in compo and my legal fees.

I'd have preferred not to have been HIT at all as all that happens afterwards is a ball ache. Police failed miserably. I later learnt the guy who ran into me was a school bus driver. If I chose to prosecute he could have lost his livelihood, yet because of police ineptitude he didn't learn much. At least he had a buttock shape dent on his bonnet as a souvenir.

P.S. said roundabout now is raised with give way signs on it to stop it being driven over. there is also a separate cycling land there now. I'd like to think my buttocks made that happen but more likely there've been a lot of accidents at that spot so it was re-engineered the way it should have been done in the first place.

dad_of_jon said:

But lets be honest the highway code gives a hierarchy of priority based on the damage a numpty can inflict. Truck, van, car, motorcycle, bike etc.

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When was the last time any of us read the highway code, for me it's 45 years ago when I took my test, there have been many updates sinse then but as we don't have re-tests no one bothers to read them.

I thought pedestrians now have priority not that many know and we now regularly get situations where I am on the main road trying to turn left into a side street and the pedestrian at the junction stops because they're unaware of the new rule so we have a stalemate the pedestrian doesn't understand why I have stopped and am blocking the main road and I dare not move in case they decide to go.

Chippy_Tea said:

When was the last time any of us read the highway code, for me it's 45 years ago when I took my test, there have been many updates sinse then but as we don't have re-tests no one bothers to read them.

I thought pedestrians now have priority not that many know and we now regularly get situations where I am on the main road trying to turn left into a side street and the pedestrian at the junction stops because they're unaware of the new rule so we have a stalemate the pedestrian doesn't understand why I have stopped and am blocking the main road and I dare not move in case they decide to go.

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Agreed I did recently read up on it when I heard of the law change

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code

It was also to confirm that a round rectangular sign was INFORMATIONAL - Warning if red - Advisory if blue (that's why you see Cyclists dismount signs in both forms) Compulsory signs are circular and may have additional instructions below.

Your point re: peds is spot on. I think it will take a long time for there to be more new drivers who have been taught this than the ones who haven't for peds to get it.

Chippy_Tea said:

This is an great cyclist vs pedestrians video it'll be interested to see how members view it.

Who is in the wrong here?

The lights are on green but this guy is going for it on a downhill road should he have slowed down as he had plenty of time to do so?

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If that guy was driving a motorized vehicle of any sort he would have been charged with multiple offences with evidence provided from his own camera.

dad_of_jon said:

Agreed I did recently read up on it when I heard of the law change

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Our latest CPC course day discussed changes to the highway code I was blissfully unaware there had been any changes other than the recent one for pedestrians.

I do think we have far too many road signs nor only are they not needed they look a mess in picturesque villages etc, if you are approaching a roundabout or traffic lights why do you need to be warned many yards before it if you need to be warned you shouldn't be driving.

Davegase said:

If that guy was driving a motorized vehicle of any sort he would have been charged with multiple offences with evidence provided from his own camera.

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Totally agree if that was a car, bus, truck, motorcycle and so on with a form of ID then yes the full force of the law would rightly be applied.

The idea that you can just keep going because you have a green light or so on when there is clearly an obstruction is just plain right ridiculous and endangering the safety of us all.

But lets be clear faults on all sides and the vast majority of pedestrians and road users exhibit a level of common sense, sadly a small percentage will always remain in all sides

I cycle and run on the road. You have to keep your wits about you, trying to second guess what the driver might do. I run into the traffic on rural roads in Ireland. Eye ball the driver to make sure they see you and understand. Unfortunately some people are just ******* stupid and or plain ignorant or even better just ***** at driving.
I don't understand how people can run or cycle with headphones in listening to music. Eyes and ears are on full alert, cycling I like to hear the car behind.

I only know of the highway code change re pedestrian because of a YT video, as far as I can remember pedestrians in the act of crossing have always had the right of way and besides who want to potentially kill someone just because you have right of way.

New To Brew Sort OF said:

I can remember pedestrians in the act of crossing have always had the right of way and besides who want to potentially kill someone just because you have right of way.

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We used to use common sense now the rules have changed drivers are put in the position i mentioned earlier there was no need to bring this new rule in.


We now regularly get situations where I am on the main road trying to turn left into a side street and the pedestrian at the junction stops because they're unaware of the new rule so we have a stalemate the pedestrian doesn't understand why I have stopped and am blocking the main road and I dare not move in case they decide to go.

Rule H3 below is new and for me puts cyclists in more danger especially when it comes to large vehicles which have *huge blind spots if i am turning left into a junction surely it is safer for the cyclist to slow down and let me make my manoeuvre than try to get past before i turn.

*especially left hand drive foreign trucks with even bigger blind spots and who's drivers may not know about the new rules.




Rule H1 (Danger on the Road): States that drivers are the ones who can cause the most significant harm in the event of a collision and that they bear the greatest responsibility when it comes to taking care of and reducing dangers to others around them.

Rule H2 (Pedestrians Crossing): Highlighting that at junctions, drivers should give way to pedestrians crossing or waiting to cross on a road into which they are turning.

The 2022 Highway Code says that if pedestrians have started crossing the road and drivers want to turn into the road, pedestrians crossing have priority, and the traffic should give way to them. Lastly, when it comes to pedestrians on a zebra and parallel crossing, drivers, motorcyclists, and cyclists, must give way to pedestrians waiting to cross.



Rule H3 (Cyclists Priority): This rule highlights the new priority that cyclists and horse riders have when vehicles or motorcycles are turning. When a vehicle is now turning into or out of a junction, as well as changing direction/lane, they are not allowed to cut across vulnerable road users like cyclists and horse riders, but instead, should give way to them, regardless of whether they are on a cycle lane, or riding ahead of them on the road.



These are probably among the most significant changes we’ve seen in the updated Highway Code this year.

However, there are still other changes worth being aware of.

2. Cycling, Walking and Riding in Shared Spaces

About this area, the new Highway Code guidance says that cyclists and horse riders should respect the safety of people walking in areas where the spaces are shared (i.e. not passing pedestrians at high speeds), but also that pedestrians should take care not to obstruct cyclists and horse riders paths. Also, always remember that some people may be visually impaired or deaf, so always take the utmost care when riding in shared spaces.

3. Cyclists’ Position on the Road

The 2022 Highway Code also sets guidance concerning cyclists’ position when riding on the road, one of the most misunderstood rules of this year’s update.

Riders can cycle in the centre of the road only on quiet roads, in slow-moving traffic, and on narrow roads. They shouldn’t cycle in the middle of the lane under any other circumstance, like on a fast-moving road (i.e. 60 mph roads), country roads, or roads rich in bends and turns, as this may put themselves and other road users in danger.

4. Overtaking a Cyclist when Driving a Vehicle

A controversial area in which a bit of clarity is due is what to do in the event of overtaking cyclists when driving a moving vehicle. Even concerning this area, this year’s Highway Code update comes in handy by stating that a driver may cross the double white line in the middle of the road to overtake cyclists or horse riders should they be traveling at less than 10 mph and when safe to do so. The update also defines the different distances you’re allowed as a driver to pass cyclists, horse riders, and pedestrians (in the absence of pavement):

• 5ft (1.5 meters) when passing a cyclist going up to 30 mph
• 6.5ft (2 meters) when passing a horse rider going under 10 mph
• 6.5ft (2 meters) when passing pedestrians on the road in the absence of pavement

5. Parking and Charging Recommendations

The updated 2022 Highway Code also recommends a new technique to apply when leaving a car, called “Dutch Reach”, consisting of opening the vehicle’s door using the hand on the opposite side to the door you’re opening, as this would allow drivers to turn around and look for cyclists or pedestrians passing by thus reducing the risk of injury to such parties.

The update also encompasses how an electric charger should be used, recommending drivers to park close to the charging point to avoid charging cables turning into hazards for pedestrians; displaying a warning sign whenever possible and lastly, once the charging has been completed, neatly return the charging cables for others to use, to avoid creating an obstacle for other road users.

These are the most significant changes we thought we’d make you aware of. However, 10 sections and a total of 50 rules of the Highway Code have been added or updated. If you’re interested in finding out more about it, please click here.

Chippy_Tea said:

The update also encompasses how an electric charger should be used, recommending drivers to park close to the charging point to avoid charging cables turning into hazards for pedestrians; displaying a warning sign whenever possible and lastly, once the charging has been completed, neatly return the charging cables for others to use, to avoid creating an obstacle for other road users.

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A what now? I didn't get a warning sign with my cable!

Stu said:

A what now? I didn't get a warning sign with my cable!

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I didn't get to -
5. Parking and Charging Recommendations

samale said:

I cycle and run on the road. You have to keep your wits about you, trying to second guess what the driver might do. I run into the traffic on rural roads in Ireland. Eye ball the driver to make sure they see you and understand. Unfortunately some people are just ******* stupid and or plain ignorant or even better just ***** at driving.
I don't understand how people can run or cycle with headphones in listening to music. Eyes and ears are on full alert, cycling I like to hear the car behind.

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I have one earpiece in on the nearside and listen to podcasts, I can hear the traffic pretty well, especially when they are burning their clutch out creeping up a hill behind me.

pilgrimhudd said:

I have one earpiece in on the nearside and listen to podcasts, I can hear the traffic pretty well, especially when they are burning their clutch out creeping up a hill behind me.

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The brother has them fancy ones that vibrate the ear drum from outside the ear. I like hear everything to give myself a chance. Some bad drivers about

samale said:

The brother has them fancy ones that vibrate the ear drum from outside the ear. I like hear everything to give myself a chance. Some bad drivers about

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I tried those, couldn't hear ****!

Chippy_Tea said:

Rule H3 below is new and for me puts cyclists in more danger especially when it comes to large vehicles which have *huge blind spots if i am turning left into a junction surely it is safer for the cyclist to slow down and let me make my manoeuvre than try to get past before i turn.

*especially left hand drive foreign trucks with even bigger blind spots and who's drivers may not know about the new rules.




Rule H1 (Danger on the Road): States that drivers are the ones who can cause the most significant harm in the event of a collision and that they bear the greatest responsibility when it comes to taking care of and reducing dangers to others around them.

Rule H2 (Pedestrians Crossing): Highlighting that at junctions, drivers should give way to pedestrians crossing or waiting to cross on a road into which they are turning.

The 2022 Highway Code says that if pedestrians have started crossing the road and drivers want to turn into the road, pedestrians crossing have priority, and the traffic should give way to them. Lastly, when it comes to pedestrians on a zebra and parallel crossing, drivers, motorcyclists, and cyclists, must give way to pedestrians waiting to cross.

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Rule H3 (Cyclists Priority): This rule highlights the new priority that cyclists and horse riders have when vehicles or motorcycles are turning. When a vehicle is now turning into or out of a junction, as well as changing direction/lane, they are not allowed to cut across vulnerable road users like cyclists and horse riders, but instead, should give way to them, regardless of whether they are on a cycle lane, or riding ahead of them on the road.

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These are probably among the most significant changes we’ve seen in the updated Highway Code this year.

However, there are still other changes worth being aware of.

2. Cycling, Walking and Riding in Shared Spaces

About this area, the new Highway Code guidance says that cyclists and horse riders should respect the safety of people walking in areas where the spaces are shared (i.e. not passing pedestrians at high speeds), but also that pedestrians should take care not to obstruct cyclists and horse riders paths. Also, always remember that some people may be visually impaired or deaf, so always take the utmost care when riding in shared spaces.

3. Cyclists’ Position on the Road

The 2022 Highway Code also sets guidance concerning cyclists’ position when riding on the road, one of the most misunderstood rules of this year’s update.

Riders can cycle in the centre of the road only on quiet roads, in slow-moving traffic, and on narrow roads. They shouldn’t cycle in the middle of the lane under any other circumstance, like on a fast-moving road (i.e. 60 mph roads), country roads, or roads rich in bends and turns, as this may put themselves and other road users in danger.

4. Overtaking a Cyclist when Driving a Vehicle

A controversial area in which a bit of clarity is due is what to do in the event of overtaking cyclists when driving a moving vehicle. Even concerning this area, this year’s Highway Code update comes in handy by stating that a driver may cross the double white line in the middle of the road to overtake cyclists or horse riders should they be traveling at less than 10 mph and when safe to do so. The update also defines the different distances you’re allowed as a driver to pass cyclists, horse riders, and pedestrians (in the absence of pavement):

• 5ft (1.5 meters) when passing a cyclist going up to 30 mph
• 6.5ft (2 meters) when passing a horse rider going under 10 mph
• 6.5ft (2 meters) when passing pedestrians on the road in the absence of pavement

5. Parking and Charging Recommendations

The updated 2022 Highway Code also recommends a new technique to apply when leaving a car, called “Dutch Reach”, consisting of opening the vehicle’s door using the hand on the opposite side to the door you’re opening, as this would allow drivers to turn around and look for cyclists or pedestrians passing by thus reducing the risk of injury to such parties.

The update also encompasses how an electric charger should be used, recommending drivers to park close to the charging point to avoid charging cables turning into hazards for pedestrians; displaying a warning sign whenever possible and lastly, once the charging has been completed, neatly return the charging cables for others to use, to avoid creating an obstacle for other road users.

These are the most significant changes we thought we’d make you aware of. However, 10 sections and a total of 50 rules of the Highway Code have been added or updated. If you’re interested in finding out more about it, please click here.

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Totally agree as a cyclist I ignore my 'rights' under H3. All those drivers not who are aware of it are a risk to a cyclist and you already get D1cks who rush to pass you then cut you up turning into a side street.

I do cycle around 10mph in certain parts and the number of people who squeeze me who don't want to cross a double white. - elderly mainly

Does any1 here actively break the highway code rules because not to do so would potentially be more dangerous?

I do every day I'm using the car because if I didn't I'd be in danger of being in an accident, I have to drive and wait in a turning lane(the wrong way) because if I don't I hold up traffic and would encourage drivers to over take me even tho im turning right(had a need miss on 1 of the few times I did this correctly!!!)

There are bad drivers and cyclists wherever you go and always will be. The worst offenders are usually the most vocal, the sensible drivers/riders do what is best to keep themselves safe even if it does break the new codes.
The vigilante cyclists are the worst on the cycling side as they are deliberately looking to get footage of trivial offences which sometimes they create by cycling inappropriately to other road users making them pass in awkward situations.
I used to use a long straight 50mph road every morning and there was this cyclist who when you passed him he would always shake is fist at every driver that passed him probably because of the speed they were doing to pass him and the draft created is all I could think of(me thinks he needed anger management).
This also applies to car drivers who are impatient to pass cyclist and do squeeze them.
I think we could all go on with examples of both